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Jun 5 2019 07:33am
France: Evictions of undocumented migrants are a financial chasm.
The number of forced "evictions" has never been higher in France for ten years. According to a parliamentary report revealed by Le Parisien (paper), it cost 500 million euros.

According to this document, the average cost of a French removal would be about 13,800 euros, five times more than that of a assisted returns, estimated at nearly 2,500 euros.

Last year, nearly 34,000 evictions took place in France. This is three times more than assisted returns, about 10,700 were identified. According to the authors of the report, out of 23 countries in the European Union, 15 have made greater use of assisted returns, rather than "expulsions".

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So what is the difference between eviction and assisted returns .... ? Second ones are cooperating. Meaning countries doing more assisted returns are probably ignoring those who really want to stay... Sad truth for them ? I want to know.

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France: Evictions of undocumented migrants are a financial chasm.
The number of forced "evictions" has never been higher in France for ten years. According to a parliamentary report revealed by Le Parisien (paper), it cost 500 million euros.

According to this document, the average cost of a French removal would be about 13,800 euros, five times more than that of a assisted returns, estimated at nearly 2,500 euros.

Last year, nearly 34,000 evictions took place in France. This is three times more than assisted returns, about 10,700 were identified. According to the authors of the report, out of 23 countries in the European Union, 15 have made greater use of assisted returns, rather than "expulsions".

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So what is the difference between eviction and assisted returns .... ? Second ones are cooperating. Meaning countries doing more assisted returns are probably ignoring those who really want to stay... Sad truth for them ? I want to know.


Assisted suicide might be better, bullets are cheap and i dont want my tax dollars wasted on people who shouldn't be here to begin with

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Assisted suicide might be better, bullets are cheap and i dont want my tax dollars wasted on people who shouldn't be here to begin with


Evicted or "assisted" are both not at risk when returning in their country. This is Asylum rights basics.
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Jun 5 2019 04:42pm
The left wins in Denmark. After Sánchez's victory in Spain last month, Mette Frederiksen secures another government for Social Democracy.

There seems to be a slight shift in Europe. Portugal, Sweden, Spain, Denmark... slowly the social democratic parties are regaining ground as they are abandoning the ideas of grand coalitions with the right, and are going back to implementing more left wing minded policies. I think it will be a long time before the traditional center-left parties can regain their place as an alternative in countries like France or Greece, where they've already been destroyed by another left-wing alternative... but there could still be a chance for other countries where Social Democratic parties are only just starting to surrender their position to other parties (Green parties in most cases).

Another interesting thing about the Danish elections is the meltdown the nationalist party Danish People's Party has experienced, after losing half of their votes. The reason for that is the rest of the parties (left, right and center) have for the most part agreed to adopt a much harsher stance on migration, making DPP's message useless for the most part, as it's only appealing to the most radical islamophobes and christian conservatives. So, unlike in many other European countries, the debate in these elections was much more focused on social policies and economy, than immigration.
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The left wins in Denmark. After Sánchez's victory in Spain last month, Mette Frederiksen secures another government for Social Democracy.

There seems to be a slight shift in Europe. Portugal, Sweden, Spain, Denmark... slowly the social democratic parties are regaining ground as they are abandoning the ideas of grand coalitions with the right, and are going back to implementing more left wing minded policies. I think it will be a long time before the traditional center-left parties can regain their place as an alternative in countries like France or Greece, where they've already been destroyed by another left-wing alternative... but there could still be a chance for other countries where Social Democratic parties are only just starting to surrender their position to other parties (Green parties in most cases).

Another interesting thing about the Danish elections is the meltdown the nationalist party Danish People's Party has experienced, after losing half of their votes. The reason for that is the rest of the parties (left, right and center) have for the most part agreed to adopt a much harsher stance on migration, making DPP's message useless for the most part, as it's only appealing to the most radical islamophobes and christian conservatives. So, unlike in many other European countries, the debate in these elections was much more focused on social policies and economy, than immigration.


i wouldnt call it a shift, denmark clearly shows that those parties who act in the interest of their people will win elections
the political compass is so different in every country, the social democrat policy in denmark will be met with nazi accusations in germany

as a matter of fact what the danish social democrats are doing should not be a discussion between left vs right, it shouldnt be a discussion AT ALL
they are doing what is right, protect the borders, restrict migration, refuse illegal asylum seekers, enforce deportations and fight migrant ghettos

in the end nobody gives a shit who does it, it just matters that important things get done

maybe the german social democrats should learn from the danish comrades, but i guess thats not gonna happen

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The left wins in Denmark. After Sánchez's victory in Spain last month, Mette Frederiksen secures another government for Social Democracy.

There seems to be a slight shift in Europe. Portugal, Sweden, Spain, Denmark... slowly the social democratic parties are regaining ground as they are abandoning the ideas of grand coalitions with the right, and are going back to implementing more left wing minded policies. I think it will be a long time before the traditional center-left parties can regain their place as an alternative in countries like France or Greece, where they've already been destroyed by another left-wing alternative... but there could still be a chance for other countries where Social Democratic parties are only just starting to surrender their position to other parties (Green parties in most cases).

Another interesting thing about the Danish elections is the meltdown the nationalist party Danish People's Party has experienced, after losing half of their votes. The reason for that is the rest of the parties (left, right and center) have for the most part agreed to adopt a much harsher stance on migration, making DPP's message useless for the most part, as it's only appealing to the most radical islamophobes and christian conservatives. So, unlike in many other European countries, the debate in these elections was much more focused on social policies and economy, than immigration.


This is what i posted 10 days ago:

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Europhobic parties have given up leaving the European Union.
Eurosceptics - right or left - have for the most part removed from their program the idea of holding a referendum on their country's membership of the EU.
Mrs Le Pen continues to blame the EU for most of the French issues, but the one who explained during the 2017 presidential campaign that "about 70%" of her program was not applicable without leaving the EU & the Euro, has today clearly abandoned both the idea of "Frexit" and the idea of changing currency !

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then after the elections:

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Supreme leader Donald Tusk, Tuesday in Brussels:
The Brexit was "a vaccine against anti-European propaganda and misinformation"

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Still not a victory against populism, but for sure they will have to wait for another 4 years...
Hard to say but Trump himself is also some kind of "vaccine": people are paying more attention to the information they get and all these delays against the populists are giving more time to people to adapt to the "social medias" era...

The real danger is when things are happening too quickly.
We still have people reading [abusively biased] news following their beliefs tho... It always existed anyway.

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It's really simple: the traditional electorate of social democrats are industrial workers and low-wage earners (assembly line workers, nurses, cashiers) - not an urban academic/cultural milieu (journalists, teachers, artists/actors, officials). The latter is the natural constituency of the Greens.

Whenever and wherever social democratic parties pursue policies which go against the interests of their constituents, they get annihilated at the ballot box. For example if they follow the lead of center-right and liberal parties in cutting down the welfare state and deregulating markets. But also if they follow the lead of Green or far-left parties and join them in calls for open borders, massive carbon taxes or aggressive identity politics.

It really is THAT simple, and it genuinely boggles my mind why so many social democrats and center-left parties in so many countries dont understand this.

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Jun 8 2019 05:58am
Boris. J. is well placed to be pinister? Can't wait to see his fail :lol:
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Boris. J. is well placed to be pinister? Can't wait to see his fail :lol:


cant get any worse so you might as well try him
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Quote (ampoo @ 8 Jun 2019 13:13)
cant get any worse so you might as well try him


Above any political stance regarding Europe i want to see him getting nominated, "scapgoated", then politically destroyed.
The way he was bitching about T.May from the stands was really despicable.
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