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Nov 1 2023 11:22am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 1 2023 02:07pm)
maybe your dog bites you when you kick it all its life, and then decide to kick its young as well.


Sounds like dogs are just naturally inclined to commit terrorist acts, better wipe them out just to be safe.
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Nov 1 2023 11:23am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 1 2023 10:19am)
lol youre so clueless about "your people"


Democrats are definitely not "my people". B)
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Nov 1 2023 11:25am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 1 2023 12:15pm)
Bruh. What?

Get off the Internet for a minute and touch some grass.


he's entirely wrong? half of the DNC being pro-palestine is a layup. but ive seen over and over again people who are pro palestine struggle to rectify their own logical conclusions.

"stop the bombing now" is equal to "we dont want hamas punished".

i want the bombing to stop, and im fine if hamas doesnt get punished as a result, but a lot of people go further than that. "freedom fighters", "river to sea", "this is israel's fault", etc.

straight up regurgitated hamas propaganda?

i think a LOT of people, not you, do a LOT of lying to themselves. they can go from "hamas are oppressors too" right to "well hamas isn't THAAAAT popular" to "well of course it makes sense that hamas has very strong support and when they parade dead israelis through the street people rush up to cheer and spit on their corpses" without much further thought on the matter.

really how can anyone who only views things through oppressor vs oppressed lenses not come out pro hamas with a BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY stance on violence in israel.

there's just a lot of cognitive dissonance in the stances of "well of course i want hamas rooted out and destroyed" and "oh no, not like this, how could israel do this!". some people in this thread pretend that commando squads of special forces can just sneak in during the night and extract hamas militants without gazan citizens even knowing hamas was there. just cross reference iphone videos from october 7th and easily go find them. but there's a hell of a lot differernt between finding fled nazis in argentina and finding a hamas militiant in the middle of a 1 million population city, least of all the DEEPLY hostile population.

all this to say i think a lot of people would be better off to just admit they dont want hamas punished if it means civilian deaths, be brave and say you care more about civilian death than you do justice for terrorists.
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Nov 1 2023 11:25am
Quote (Handcuffs @ 1 Nov 2023 18:15)
Bruh. What?

Get off the Internet for a minute and touch some grass.


just ignore him, he's completely lost it. in an earlier conversation he suggested the friggin' pope himself was a hamas sympathiser because he called to stop the bloodshed of innocent people.

to ethnic cleansing supporters like him, everyone who dares to criticise the slaughtering of innocents must be pro hamas, it's the only way to make excuses for child killers and still claim the moral high ground. it's absurd really...
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Nov 1 2023 11:31am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 1 2023 07:23pm)
Democrats are definitely not "my people". B)


are socialists & BLM your people ?
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Nov 1 2023 11:40am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 1 2023 09:53am)
Maybe your cat scratches you because you are a bad person.


No, she's actually really sweet and loves me to death.

What actually happens is she doesn't like when I leave for work in the morning, all she wants to do is snuggle. So she blocks the door and I have to pick her up to move her - then she often digs her claws in a bit :lol:

She's just so sweet and wants to cuddle all the time. I'm never allowed to leave the house
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Nov 1 2023 11:42am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 1 2023 10:25am)
he's entirely wrong? half of the DNC being pro-palestine is a layup. but ive seen over and over again people who are pro palestine struggle to rectify their own logical conclusions.

"stop the bombing now" is equal to "we dont want hamas punished".

i want the bombing to stop, and im fine if hamas doesnt get punished as a result, but a lot of people go further than that. "freedom fighters", "river to sea", "this is israel's fault", etc.

straight up regurgitated hamas propaganda?

i think a LOT of people, not you, do a LOT of lying to themselves. they can go from "hamas are oppressors too" right to "well hamas isn't THAAAAT popular" to "well of course it makes sense that hamas has very strong support and when they parade dead israelis through the street people rush up to cheer and spit on their corpses" without much further thought on the matter.

really how can anyone who only views things through oppressor vs oppressed lenses not come out pro hamas with a BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY stance on violence in israel.

there's just a lot of cognitive dissonance in the stances of "well of course i want hamas rooted out and destroyed" and "oh no, not like this, how could israel do this!". some people in this thread pretend that commando squads of special forces can just sneak in during the night and extract hamas militants without gazan citizens even knowing hamas was there. just cross reference iphone videos from october 7th and easily go find them. but there's a hell of a lot differernt between finding fled nazis in argentina and finding a hamas militiant in the middle of a 1 million population city, least of all the DEEPLY hostile population.

all this to say i think a lot of people would be better off to just admit they dont want hamas punished if it means civilian deaths, be brave and say you care more about civilian death than you do justice for terrorists.


I think it's a wild claim to suggest that "half of Democrats are essentially pro-Hamas". Only by a steady feed of YouTube, Twitter, and TikTok videos would someone reasonably make that conclusion. A definite need to touch some grass, imo.

Quote (fender @ Nov 1 2023 10:25am)
just ignore him, he's completely lost it. in an earlier conversation he suggested the friggin' pope himself was a hamas sympathiser because he called to stop the bloodshed of innocent people.

to ethnic cleansing supporters like him, everyone who dares to criticise the slaughtering of innocents must be pro hamas, it's the only way to make excuses for child killers and still claim the moral high ground. it's absurd really...


It is a wild claim to suggest that "half of Democrats support Hamas". Really indicative of a person's worldview and understanding of people outside themselves.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 1 2023 10:31am)
are socialists & BLM your people ?


Socialists? Too unorganized and lack social skills.

BLM? The organization is a grift and exploits families and communities.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 1 2023 09:20am)
See, and that's where the analogy ends. A rabid animal which cannot be tamed will eventually be shot/euthanized. In the context of the Middle East conflict, this would correspond to genociding over 2 million people in Gaza, which obviously is NOT a valid option for a myriad of reasons. Even if one had no moral qualms about this approach, it would trigger the rest of the Muslim world to overrun and wipe out Israel zerg-style.


Let's expand and define the analogy further.

We can equate the uncurable disease of rabies to the uncurable ultra-violent anti-Jewish extremist ideology of these people. The analogy is valid as both states cause the host to violently attack their surroundings with no capacity for reason or dialogue, and both afflictions are highly contagious.

There are 3 solutions for the problem of a rabid animal: Euthanasia, release into the wild, or containment.

First we shall consider the story of Old Yeller, a timeless parable of morality that you are surely familiar with. It tells the story of a dog who became infected with rabies. If you have not seen the film I highly recommend that you see it and think deeply about the moral statements put forward, one of which is that the moral option is often extremely tragic.

Consider the options that Travis has for Old Yeller. He can release Old Yeller into the wild, he can euthanize him, or he can continue to keep him confined in the shed, where he violently lashes out at anybody who comes near him.

In the case of Palestinians, we have historical record of the results of some of these options.

Israel has proceeded with the containment option for the better part of recent history - coming back to Old Yeller, Israel (Travis) is keeping them locked in the shed (Gaza). However, this runs the grave risk of a violent and deadly outburst (October 7).

In the past, the release into the wild solution was tried (displacement into neighboring nations: Jordan, Lebanon, & Egypt). In each of these cases, the hosts were violently attacked with no provocation: Jordan - Black September; Egypt - murder of Anwar Sadat, recent Muslim Brotherhood-led violence; Lebanon - Lebanese Civil War. These events have caused said hosts to rightfully refuse any resettlement on the grounds of the security of their people. Coming back to the release of a rabid animal into the wild, this animal then violently attacks everything in their surroundings, infecting more people with the disease (the disease of violence, the cycle of violence, endless vengeance) and harming innocents.

The Palestinian people are suffering. They are not just suffering from unmet material needs, they are suffering from an uncurable disease of the soul. Just like Old Yeller suffered. It seems to be a consensus on this forum that the extremist ideology cannot be cured (re-education facilities don't work).

A moral solution to this problem must be thought about deeply, with all logical outcomes considered in each case.

To your last point about the fear of an Arab "zerg", this fear is baseless, unfounded, and contradictory to recent history. They already tried (Six Day War) and the Arabs were crushed. They do not have the strength to challenge Israel in open warfare, and they're not even close, even more so when we consider the might of the US Navy.
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Nov 1 2023 11:43am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 1 2023 12:25pm)
he's entirely wrong? half of the DNC being pro-palestine is a layup. but ive seen over and over again people who are pro palestine struggle to rectify their own logical conclusions.

"stop the bombing now" is equal to "we dont want hamas punished".

i want the bombing to stop, and im fine if hamas doesnt get punished as a result, but a lot of people go further than that. "freedom fighters", "river to sea", "this is israel's fault", etc.

straight up regurgitated hamas propaganda?

i think a LOT of people, not you, do a LOT of lying to themselves. they can go from "hamas are oppressors too" right to "well hamas isn't THAAAAT popular" to "well of course it makes sense that hamas has very strong support and when they parade dead israelis through the street people rush up to cheer and spit on their corpses" without much further thought on the matter.

really how can anyone who only views things through oppressor vs oppressed lenses not come out pro hamas with a BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY stance on violence in israel.

there's just a lot of cognitive dissonance in the stances of "well of course i want hamas rooted out and destroyed" and "oh no, not like this, how could israel do this!". some people in this thread pretend that commando squads of special forces can just sneak in during the night and extract hamas militants without gazan citizens even knowing hamas was there. just cross reference iphone videos from october 7th and easily go find them. but there's a hell of a lot differernt between finding fled nazis in argentina and finding a hamas militiant in the middle of a 1 million population city, least of all the DEEPLY hostile population.

all this to say i think a lot of people would be better off to just admit they dont want hamas punished if it means civilian deaths, be brave and say you care more about civilian death than you do justice for terrorists.


Hamas honestly is getting so much attention, as if this is the only problem to this Israeli Palestine relationship

How many deaths in Hamas free West Bank since October 7th?

Take the extreme voices away and majority of moderate voices agree with ridding the cancer that is Hamas

But it’s like we are removing the lung tumor yet the person is still smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day. Hamas did not come to power out of nowhere

And we as a world are, candidly, not being honest to Hamas came
To be

Where the killing of civilians raises questions is what is the end game, without which Hamas 2.0 will just resurface in a few years, and in which case the civilian death is quite literally - wasted




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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 1 2023 10:19am)
lol youre so clueless about "your people"


Gayz for Gaza

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