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Jul 26 2020 05:35pm


I'm watching: All the President's Men (1976), just to remind myself what things were like before the MSM was bought off, and when they still had to fact check what they printed in the newspapers.



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Meanwhile, in Seattle:
"Dear residents, we cannot enforce the law, you're on your own"


https://www.westsideseattle.com/robinson-papers/2020/07/24/sw-precinct-boarded-precaution-against-protestors-chief-best-sends
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 26 2020 06:48pm)


Maybe they should have shown restraint then.

https://seattle.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4564636&GUID=90EDF5B4-7607-43BB-A99C-514C0B51CB56&FullText=1
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WHEREAS, a June 1, 2020 release from the Seattle Office of Professional Accountability notes that misconduct complaints stemming from the George Floyd protests include:
i. Pepper spraying a young girl;
ii. Punching a person on the ground who was being arrested;
iii. Placing a knee on the neck area of two people who had been arrested;
iv. Covering up badge numbers;
v. Failing to record law enforcement activity on body-worn video;
vi. Pepper spraying peaceful protesters;
vii. The use of flashbangs, including causing a significant thumb injury;
viii. Failing to secure rifles in the rear of a patrol vehicle;
ix. Punching a person on the ground who was being arrested; and
x. Officers breaking windows of a Target store; and


The police have shown that they are not capable of wielding these tools responsibly and the city council is responding. This is local action in response to local complaints. This is how I've been told government is supposed to work.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Jul 2020 02:04)
Maybe they should have shown restraint then.

https://seattle.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4564636&GUID=90EDF5B4-7607-43BB-A99C-514C0B51CB56&FullText=1


The police have shown that they are not capable of wielding these tools responsibly and the city council is responding. This is local action in response to local complaints. This is how I've been told government is supposed to work.


Whatever the SPD did wrong, it's not viable justification for leaving the city in a state of anarchy with no law enforcement around that can actually enforce the law and protect citizens from criminals.

"Should have shown restraint then" completely misses the point. This is not about whether their PD deserves punishment, this is about the collateral damage that this order will have on innocent citizens who are thrown to the wolves now.
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Jul 26 2020 06:41pm


For context: this Paul Gallant guy seems to be the host of a news show and a local celebrity in Seattle.
https://twitter.com/GallantSays

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The cops should give their guns to people so that they can preserve their property.
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Whatever the SPD did wrong, it's not viable justification for leaving the city in a state of anarchy with no law enforcement around that can actually enforce the law and protect citizens from criminals.

"Should have shown restraint then" completely misses the point. This is not about whether their PD deserves punishment, this is about the collateral damage that this order will have on innocent citizens who are thrown to the wolves now.


And if we leave them with these materials we virtually guarantee harm to innocents as the police have shown they are not capably of responsibly wielding them.

This is a no-win situation. Either the mobs do damage, or the police do damage. I'd say it's far worse for the police to be doing damage because the government depriving individuals of rights and causing abuse is worse than the public doing that to themselves, and any responsible business has insurance. That's just an opinion though.

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And if we leave them with these materials we virtually guarantee harm to innocents as the police have shown they are not capably of responsibly wielding them.

This is a no-win situation. Either the mobs do damage, or the police do damage. I'd say it's far worse for the police to be doing damage because the government depriving individuals of rights and causing abuse is worse than the public doing that to themselves, and any responsible business has insurance. That's just an opinion though.


That's what the Founding Fathers would say. We should expect better from our government.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jul 2020 20:41)
https://i.imgur.com/mL26DLZ.png

For context: this Paul Gallant guy seems to be the host of a news show and a local celebrity in Seattle.
https://twitter.com/GallantSays



lmfao karma for that racist privileged lefty “paul gallant”..definitely looks the type to abuse animals and/or people
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And if we leave them with these materials we virtually guarantee harm to innocents as the police have shown they are not capably of responsibly wielding them.

This is a no-win situation. Either the mobs do damage, or the police do damage. I'd say it's far worse for the police to be doing damage because the government depriving individuals of rights and causing abuse is worse than the public doing that to themselves, and any responsible business has insurance. That's just an opinion though.


This argument only makes sense if the police harm innocents at the same rate as unrestricted criminals. Even now, with the police keeping criminals in check, criminals commit far more murders, rapes, assaults etc. than the police. The disparity can reasonably be assumed to get far worse when criminals are allowed to act with impunity.

No offense, but I cant wrap my head around how out of touch someone has to be to even argue this.


Problem: "Last year, there were 5 murders committed by the police, 100 murders committed by criminals, and 500 murders prevented by police work"
Solution A: "Try what we can to single out the bad apples among the police, investigate systemic causes of police violence with a cool head, without turning it into a witch hunt"
Solution B: "Gut the police to the point where they're unable to deal with armed criminals."

I wonder which solution will lead to more victims of murder. :unsure:
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