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Apr 14 2020 08:59pm
Quote (Duckling @ Apr 14 2020 08:04pm)
Like when the reporter asked fauci if he is having his message delivered by force... lmfao you're a clown


I haven't watched that yet. Youre making the mistake of assuming that because I advocate some kind of criticism that I give the rubber stamp to all criticism. Its something Trump supporters seem to do a lot.
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Apr 14 2020 09:12pm
2 million cases now. Looks like its doubling every 14 days still.
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Apr 15 2020 12:01am
I survived the corona, where do I go to get the microchip to authenticate my immunity?
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I survived the corona, where do I go to get the microchip to authenticate my immunity?


Phone up your nearest democratic party governor.
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Apr 15 2020 03:04am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 Apr 2020 02:47)
Just gonna take this opportunity to point out to Trump supporters that the MEDIA SHOULD NOT BE NEUTRAL. A neutral media is not doing it's job.

Media outlets have a responsibility to be objective, which is very different from being neutral.

When Trump tells a bold faced lie a neutral media will present both sides and let you make up your mind. An objective media will call authority out on its bullshit in real time for everybody to see. This is the media doing it's job.


You're missing two important points here:

First, on a lot of policy questions, there is no objectively defined "better" or "worse". Calling the media to be neutral in a partisan sense is different from demanding them to remain neutral in a true/false situation.

Second, it's not that much of a contradiction to praise China for some things and criticize them for other actions. For example, it makes sense to thank China for shipments of PPE or for sending doctors while also slamming them for their initial coverup of the outbreak. Or for harming the preparedness efforts of the rest of the world by prompting their sycophants at the WHO to downplay the virus and spread Chinese 'everything is fine and under control'-propaganda.







This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 15 2020 03:05am
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Apr 15 2020 03:52am
I doubt WHO has "inspectors"/"investigators" or spies, they can only report what countries are reporting. Maybe it's the blue color pushing people to think this organization has some political purpose like UN ?
Trump is the king of assholes with his cutting-funds-shit-show. The only good reason would be if US intelligence found evidences of corruption or influence within WHO.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 15 Apr 2020 11:52)
I doubt WHO has "inspectors"/"investigators" or spies, they can only report what countries are reporting. Maybe it's the blue color pushing people to think this organization has some political purpose like UN ?
Trump is the king of assholes with his cutting-funds-shit-show. The only good reason would be if US intelligence found evidences of corruption or influence within WHO.


The WHO must have known by Jan 14 that this virus was spreading based on human-to-human transmission. This finding by the Chinese authorities was a crystal clear propaganda effort, a blatant lie - and the WHO happily played along because the Chinese have them in the pocket. (See also the way WHO officials have sidestepped any questions about Taiwan's response to the coronavirus since they dont dare to acknowledge Taiwan's existence as an independent state.)




Also note that the current president of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was a controversial pick (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom#WHO_election ), and only got elected to this post thanks to support from China:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-helped-put-man-charge-world-health-organization%E2%80%94-it-paying-136002

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Tedros has praised China’s “transparency” and held up the country as a model response — even though the communist regime covered and then concealed the severity of the outbreak.


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One study found that “if interventions in [China] could have been conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier, cases could have been reduced by 66 percent, 86 percent and 95 percent respectively – significantly limiting the geographical spread of the disease.”


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“Tedros apparently turned a blind eye to what happened in Wuhan and the rest of China and, after meeting with Xi in January, has helped China to play down the severity, prevalence and scope of the COVID-19 outbreak,” University of Texas-San Antonio professor Henry Thayer and Citizens Power Initiatives for China vice president Lianchao Han wrote in a March 17 op-ed published in The Hill.


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Tedros’s close relationship with China isn’t new.
He worked closely with China during his time as Ethiopia’s health minister, and China backed Tedros’s 2017 bid for WHO director-general, media outlets noted at the time.
Tedros won the election despite widely covered accusations that he covered up three different cholera epidemics as health minister in Ethiopia. Though he goes by “Dr. Tedros,” the WHO chief isn’t a medical doctor but has a PhD in public health.


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On Feb. 3, Tedros rebuked the U.S. and other countries that had closed off their borders to China when it became clear that the communist nation wasn’t containing the virus’s spread.
“There is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. We call on all countries to implement decisions that are evidence-based and consistent,” he said.



Trump is perfectly right and justified in his scorn of the WHO and how they handled the pandemic. I'm not a fan of cutting their budget in the middle of a global pandemic though; I personally would punish them/dry them up after the world is out of the woods.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 15 2020 04:15am
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we weren't paying our dues anyway
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Apr 15 2020 06:28am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Apr 2020 12:14)
The WHO must have known by Jan 14 that this virus was spreading based on human-to-human transmission. This finding by the Chinese authorities was a crystal clear propaganda effort, a blatant lie - and the WHO happily played along because the Chinese have them in the pocket. (See also the way WHO officials have sidestepped any questions about Taiwan's response to the coronavirus since they dont dare to acknowledge Taiwan's existence as an independent state.)




Also note that the current president of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was a controversial pick (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom#WHO_election ), and only got elected to this post thanks to support from China:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-helped-put-man-charge-world-health-organization%E2%80%94-it-paying-136002












Trump is perfectly right and justified in his scorn of the WHO and how they handled the pandemic. I'm not a fan of cutting their budget in the middle of a global pandemic though; I personally would punish them/dry them up after the world is out of the woods.


No, Trump is an asshole and anyone supporting this action is an idiot.
WHO is not here to interfer, they propose experts and help but they have no authority in 'validating' countries reports.
Not sure it was super smart to copy pasta fart right papers bitching.
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Apr 15 2020 06:49am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2020 08:47pm)
Just gonna take this opportunity to point out to Trump supporters that the MEDIA SHOULD NOT BE NEUTRAL. A neutral media is not doing it's job.

Media outlets have a responsibility to be objective, which is very different from being neutral.

When Trump tells a bold faced lie a neutral media will present both sides and let you make up your mind. An objective media will call authority out on its bullshit in real time for everybody to see. This is the media doing it's job.


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