The claws will grow back though. Taking out Hamas is totally the right thing in the current situation, and I fully support Israel in this goal, but let's not delude ourselves: this will only give Israel short-term relief from a pressing, unacceptable situation, but it is not a long-term solution. To solve this conlfict in the long run, the underlying ideology would have to be rooted out - which seems impossible.

it seems impossible for very good reasons, reasons which have been repeatedly documented.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 1 2023 10:05am

Yeah if only there was a chasm where Hamas did not exist, where there was a more diplomatic party. It’s not like we can foresee such an environment of Palestine minus Hamas. Wait

…West Bank. Surely no shenanigans have been occurring there over the last few years

it is unfortunate Netanyahu preferred lifting Hamas to the state it’s in and undermined the more diplomatic PLO. The world likes to keep a blind eye to this, but fortunately Israeli citizens are highly aware of this hence the record low approval rating

Jokes aside, after Hamas is destroyed which is a forgone conclusion, he’s unpopular enough where I think there will be an actual chance for progress after this Gaza

apparently that "somewhere else" place that Israel has in mind to deal with the fresh grievances of arabs half of who's family&neighbours Israel just killed - will be Europe



This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Nov 1 2023 09:50am

Well, maybe the 10/7 attack wouldn't have happened under Fatah rule, but it wouldn't solve the deeper conflict either. Fatah also doesn't accept Israel's right to exist, also makes claims to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount which are unacceptable to Israel, and so on. They're just more pragmatic and less radicalized than Hamas. Also note that Fatah, while the strongest faction within the PLO, is not the only political representation of the Palestinians other than Hamas. There are also other radical factions and organizations which have repeatedly committed terrorist attacks, for example the PFLP.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 1 2023 09:53am

If European countries will take them in then they're free to do so

I think it's a bad idea but most European people are really dumb.

So how about you financially prop up the actual moderate organization

Instead of xyz radicals

Not really rocket science here

I have faith this will occur after this chapter invariably ends, this clusterfuck of bad faith actors

They can grow back if you fail to maintain and trim them regularly. However, if the cat is just out of control and impossible to tame then sometimes you just have to get rid of the animal.

The cat analogy is honestly great here. Right now my cat's claws are long and deadly since I've neglected to trim her claws the past couple weeks, and I've taken a few light scratches. But that's my own fault.

funny how some people are seriously too dumb to get the concept of increasing radicalisation. as if cheering for the death of your enemies is the same as actually sacrificing your life to kill them. by that "logic", they'd all be suicide bombers themselves...

i mean, it's not exactly rocket science: someone might live in a shitty place and have no realistic way of making it out, no way of improving it, while their neighbours, who imprison and oppress them, have all the things they dream of - and they might understandably hate their guts for it, cheer when something bad happens to them, and be generally resentful towards them - but that doesn't mean they would risk their lives to do something about it.

now if that neighbour then also bombs their home, slaughters their loved ones, and destroys every little thing, every little hope and dream they lived for, and creates a situation so dire, so desperate, that they feel life isn't worth living any longer, that might then change - and you have created a potential suicide bomber / terrorist, who would ACTUALLY give up their life just to hurt you any way they can.

i have to find that statistic again to get the exact number, but a majority of the individuals who attacked israel over the years are people who lost their home and / or family members to israel's occupation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67277205

only a complete moron (or a dishonest ethnic cleansing apologist) would think (or pretend) that in a population of millions, the number of people who would actually act upon their hatred, was already saturated by the few dozens that said "fuck it, i'm gonna blow myself up and take as many occupiers with me as possible" over the last couple of decades, that israel's indiscriminate slaughtering of women and children couldn't possibly create hundreds of new ones down the road...

pure child killer copium. just another silly attempt to rationalise starving and bombing innocent people. as if the last 70 years simply didn't happen...

By all accounts he is the most unhawkish of the bunch. i know that sounds incredible to believe. i would not hold my breath expecting any uturns.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 1 2023 10:06am