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JEB!'s early polling numbers were based on high name recognition and strong institutional support. The more voters learned of who he actually is and what he actually stands for, ideology- and policy-wise, the more they rejected him. Keep in mind that Trump only beat his polls because of the tidal support from working-class and disaffected voters - the very type of voter that JEB! was not appealing to.
Also note that the "great Trump voter swap" was a wash or maybe even slightly benefitting Democrats in terms of the popular vote, but massively beneficial to the GOP in the EC. None of the other GOP candidate would have had nearly as much of an edge in the EC as Trump. I do believe that Kasich and Rubio could have beaten her though, based on her own unpopularity. It goes without saying that pious archconservatives like Huckabee or Santorum would never stand a chance in a national election.
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Anyway, who do you think can beat Trump, head to head, in the primary? Who do you think can beat Trump in a crowded field? We need names!
Look, I'm not denying that Trump is the clear favorite for the nomination if he runs. But I would say that if both Trump and DeSantis run and there is a contested primary, then DeSantis iimho has a maybe 20-30% chance of wresting the nomination from Trump. He's a good compromise candidate in the sense that he's very good at appealing to the base while also being far more palatable to the party's establishment and moderate factions than Trump.
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I just don't understand why you think Trump is weak when he is polling so well right now. He's immensely popular with GOP primary voters and he's having rally after rally. What is going to change between now and the primary that is going to weaken him enough to lose?
Trump is losing ground to DeSantis in the polls [1] and is regularly only coming in in the high 40s in primary polls [2]. This far out, and considering his universal name recognition and high approval ratings among GOP voters, these numbers are weak and suggest that there is an opening if the factions who don't want him to be the nominee again consolidate around a single alternative quickly enough.
What is going to change between now and the primary? Well, Trump is getting older and more insane as time goes on. His energy level and sharpness keep declining. Without the bully pulpit or his twitter account, his media outreach beyond his hardcore base who's on alternative platforms is far lower than it was in 2016 or during his presidency. Jan 6 and the way he blew the two Georgia Senate seats does make him toxic to a non-negligible segment of the party, even if almost no one would admit it in public.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/trump-is-losing-ground-to-desantis-in-poll-after-poll.html[2]
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.htmlThis post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 9 2022 11:48pm