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I think Jeb, Rubio, and Kasich could have beaten Clinton given her unpopularity. Heck, Santorum might have been able to win given that he was pushing the rust-belt white trash working class nonsense for a solid decade but he's also too pro-life for the country.

Polling suggested that some of these candidates would have faggot stomped Hillary:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html (better than Trump!)

JEB!'s early polling numbers were based on high name recognition and strong institutional support. The more voters learned of who he actually is and what he actually stands for, ideology- and policy-wise, the more they rejected him. Keep in mind that Trump only beat his polls because of the tidal support from working-class and disaffected voters - the very type of voter that JEB! was not appealing to.

Also note that the "great Trump voter swap" was a wash or maybe even slightly benefitting Democrats in terms of the popular vote, but massively beneficial to the GOP in the EC. None of the other GOP candidate would have had nearly as much of an edge in the EC as Trump. I do believe that Kasich and Rubio could have beaten her though, based on her own unpopularity. It goes without saying that pious archconservatives like Huckabee or Santorum would never stand a chance in a national election.

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Anyway, who do you think can beat Trump, head to head, in the primary? Who do you think can beat Trump in a crowded field? We need names!

Look, I'm not denying that Trump is the clear favorite for the nomination if he runs. But I would say that if both Trump and DeSantis run and there is a contested primary, then DeSantis iimho has a maybe 20-30% chance of wresting the nomination from Trump. He's a good compromise candidate in the sense that he's very good at appealing to the base while also being far more palatable to the party's establishment and moderate factions than Trump.


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I just don't understand why you think Trump is weak when he is polling so well right now. He's immensely popular with GOP primary voters and he's having rally after rally. What is going to change between now and the primary that is going to weaken him enough to lose?

Trump is losing ground to DeSantis in the polls [1] and is regularly only coming in in the high 40s in primary polls [2]. This far out, and considering his universal name recognition and high approval ratings among GOP voters, these numbers are weak and suggest that there is an opening if the factions who don't want him to be the nominee again consolidate around a single alternative quickly enough.

What is going to change between now and the primary? Well, Trump is getting older and more insane as time goes on. His energy level and sharpness keep declining. Without the bully pulpit or his twitter account, his media outreach beyond his hardcore base who's on alternative platforms is far lower than it was in 2016 or during his presidency. Jan 6 and the way he blew the two Georgia Senate seats does make him toxic to a non-negligible segment of the party, even if almost no one would admit it in public.




[1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/trump-is-losing-ground-to-desantis-in-poll-after-poll.html
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

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Politico reports in 2018 Trump in reaction to HRC emails stiffened the punishment for incorrect document handling


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Politico reports in 2018 Trump in reaction to HRC emails stiffened the punishment for incorrect document handling


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It's still a weak pretense. As president, Trump had the power to declassify documents as he saw fit, so the "classified" part of "classified documents" cannot be the justification for a step as drastic as raiding and searching the home of a former president. It seems glaringly obvious that this whole thing was just a flimsy pretense. If you ask me, the actual goal of the operation was to find new, incriminating material on Trump and to send a signal to everyone that the swamp will destroy anyone who dares to defy it.

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It's still a weak pretense. As president, Trump had the power to declassify documents as he saw fit, so the "classified" part of "classified documents" cannot be the justification for a step as drastic as raiding and searching the home of a former president. To me, it seems glaringly obvious that this whole thing was just a flimsy pretense and that the actual goal of the operation was to find new, incriminating material on Trump and to send a signal to everyone that the swamp will destroy anyone who dares to defy it.



I have heard some people talking. Sorry I can’t quote references currently that spoke to that point. That no presidents can’t just walk off with whatever documents they want. That some are classified and belong the government. I would have to look into. Lot of radio listening today. Also if you get asked for over a year to return them. First request was May of last year. Some serious inquiries/requests. Etc request to secure them etc. per usual the fat man ignore govt requests. Maybe he should of just complied. Yes laughs for irony
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