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Quote (Santara @ Nov 3 2021 04:28pm)
I'm not claiming it's aggressive to simply carry a weapon. I'm stating that when he went vigilante, he put himself in a situation he both knew would be dangerous and didn't have to be there. That has a bearing on a legal claim to self defense.


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My house was built in the 40's. Yeah, not as good as modern houses.

But we aren't talking about inflation of prices of modern houses. We're talking the average price of houses. It's great that houses get better, but if the populace can't afford them who cares if they're more modern?

The far greater driving factor to pricing inflation of houses is that housing became a major investment vehicle, and as a result the price of houses has massively increased beyond the price increase from modernizing and beyond the price increase from inflation.


investing in a home that has force air, a dish washer, pvc piping that will last 100 years, a mound system that wont need pumping like a septic system, etc. makes sense.

old houses are just flammable shitboxes where a lot of costs are deferred, like heating/cooling, etc. comfort is worth investing in, as is life of a good.

again, there ARE nefarious actors in the space, and plenty of fuckery, but a lot of legitimate factors.
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what? They depolyed the tazer multiable times after telling him he has multiable times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjyJTaOr5vc

Dude resits arrest wih a knife going in to a car that he could be pulling a gun


shot 9 times lol. 9 times.

u shoot a guy with a knife once, MAYBE twice. 9 times is a jumpy liability of a cop. tbh.
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Quote (Santara @ Nov 3 2021 05:28pm)
I'm not claiming it's aggressive to simply carry a weapon. I'm stating that when he went vigilante, he put himself in a situation he both knew would be dangerous and didn't have to be there. That has a bearing on a legal claim to self defense.


Id like to see the legal argument that you forfeit your right to life if you open carry with the intent to potentially stop crime.

if criminals are invading your neighborhood and you walk outside with a firearm to potentially dissuade people from wrongdoing and administer first aid to people who might be hurt are you forfeiting your right to self defense and therefore your right to life if some pedophile attacks you? Certainly not morally or on libertarian grounds. A tyrannical government may disagree. I don't see the law substantiating that at this point.
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investing in a home that has force air, a dish washer, pvc piping that will last 100 years, a mound system that wont need pumping like a septic system, etc. makes sense.

old houses are just flammable shitboxes where a lot of costs are deferred, like heating/cooling, etc. comfort is worth investing in, as is life of a good.

again, there ARE nefarious actors in the space, and plenty of fuckery, but a lot of legitimate factors.


Yeah, but the largest factor by far is homes as an investment vehicle, which prices out the average consumer.

Which is a big reason why the average consumer is worse off now compared to the 80s. They're paying double after inflation to live in the same house you're describing as a flammable shitbox. It's not like we just decided to upgrade every home in the country. The new ones are mostly higher income.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 02:32pm)
shot 9 times lol. 9 times.

u shoot a guy with a knife once, MAYBE twice. 9 times is a jumpy liability of a cop. tbh.


how tf if he has a gun in the driver seat. You don't fight cops and go for what looks to be a gun? Where would you assume hes doing to? Just put on his seat belt and drive off? I'd assume a gun or another weapon.
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Yeah, but the largest factor by far is homes as an investment vehicle, which prices out the average consumer.


What do you mean by this? Are you referring to wealthy people who are buying up real estate as other than their primary residence?

We have such a problem where I live. There are too many wealthy foreign buyers buying up houses, apartments everywhere and they then rent them out to people to make a profit. Regular people can't afford homes anymore.

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Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 04:40pm)
What do you mean by this? Are you referring to wealthy people who are buying up real estate as other than their primary residence?

We have such a problem where I live. There are too many wealthy foreign buyers buying up houses, apartments everywhere and they then rent them out to people to make a profit. Regular people can't afford homes anymore.


There are tons of companies that buy homes to rent them, and companies that buy mortgages for the payout over time.

The 2008 housing bubble and crash was caused by investment Banks buying up mortgages because of the safe payout. Then because the bank making the initial loan was selling them to the investment bank's for a profit they had no incentive to make sure the mortgages were actually safe. And when anybody can get a mortgage it drives demand up and therefore housing prices up.


This still exists to a huge extent. My mortgage was sold before i made my first payment. But its not as bad as 2008

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Pipe down, you. I agree with him in most every way on this issue. I'm just pointing out that there is true merit to whether a person can claim self-defense in certain situations.



Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 3 2021 04:33pm)
Id like to see the legal argument that you forfeit your right to life if you open carry with the intent to potentially stop crime.

if criminals are invading your neighborhood and you walk outside with a firearm to potentially dissuade people from wrongdoing and administer first aid to people who might be hurt are you forfeiting your right to self defense and therefore your right to life if some pedophile attacks you? Certainly not morally or on libertarian grounds. A tyrannical government may disagree. I don't see the law substantiating that at this point.


Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 3 2021 04:33pm)
Id like to see the legal argument that you forfeit your right to life if you open carry with the intent to potentially stop crime.

if criminals are invading your neighborhood and you walk outside with a firearm to potentially dissuade people from wrongdoing and administer first aid to people who might be hurt are you forfeiting your right to self defense and therefore your right to life if some pedophile attacks you? Certainly not morally or on libertarian grounds. A tyrannical government may disagree. I don't see the law substantiating that at this point.


The legal argument will most certainly be laid out in this very case. We will see.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 3 2021 03:28pm)
Potential: having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.

A guy walking down the street with a firearm that could possibly be used is not the same as someone using a firearm

a minor league baseball player with great potential is not a hall of famer.

potential to be used in a violent act =/= actual violence


Have people not been arrested for planning acts of domestic terrorism? He was part of an active Facebook group that had comments of shooting protestors, and he was given a firearm. Is this not planning an act violence? Seems like it. Is it really self defence if there was pre-meditated violence? He went there after posting with the group and allowed the group to arm him. I think there's more to the case of why hes there to begin with and if it really is self defense. I agree with everyone here that the shots themselves were defensive, but again like others said is it really self defense. Well see what the jury decides.

I would have to do some digging but I bet there's been similar cases in the past with those engaging in radical online groups and possessing the means to carry out violence via the acts described in those groups.

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