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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2020 01:44am)
I don't need to read one specific study, there's a reason why it's in sociology 101 textbooks that minorities get harsher treatment by the government than white people, because it's been obscenely well documented for literally our entire nation's history.

It only seems weird to claim black people get treated worse if you think race relations had a reset button pressed after civil rights.


http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2020 01:37am)
Weak deflections.

Attitudes stay around even if the people cycle out.

The NAACP is capable of making mistakes, and it's very possible for them to support drug laws without realizing the full effects, or realizing how they will be unequally enforced, or realizing there will be greater sentences on some substances because minorities use them.


Attitudes haven't stayed the same in the general public. They haven't stayed the same in corporations, political parties, local government, or the bureaucracy. It's been 60 years! There isn't a person in the force today who is 20 years from remembering that. But the police force alone is some constant? What a weird thing to say.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 18 2020 10:37pm)
Weak deflections.

Attitudes stay around even if the people cycle out.

The NAACP is capable of making mistakes, and it's very possible for them to support drug laws without realizing the full effects, or realizing how they will be unequally enforced, or realizing there will be greater sentences on some substances because minorities use them.


Examples of substances?

My assumption is that you're referring to crack cocaine and the infamous five gram five year minimum, correct?

Fun fact: The exact same sentencing minimums were imposed on Methamphetamines, where usage is majority white. And there were harsher sentences by far on the convicted distribution of meth, and even more so on the manufacture of it.

More interesting than sentencing minimums that no longer exist though... How is a topic about a guy being executed in Portland for the sole crime of political differences (aka an act of terrorism) an invitation for you to talk about your critical theory bullshit?
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Examples of substances?
My assumption is that you're referring to crack cocaine and the infamous five gram five year minimum, correct?
Fun fact: The exact same sentencing minimums were imposed on Methamphetamines, where usage is majority white. And there were harsher sentences by far on the convicted distribution of meth, and even more so on the manufacture of it.
More interesting than sentencing minimums that no longer exist though... How is a topic about a guy being executed in Portland for the sole crime of political differences (aka an act of terrorism) an invitation for you to talk about your critical theory bullshit?


Meth can have equal time but unequal enforcement. Far more pressure on inner cities to crack down on drugs than rural hillbillies cooking meth. Meth is also way worse than crack. It has longer effects, is more damaging, and has worse long-term use consequences. According to most people I know who have done both they said meth is more addictive and it's not even close, but that part is anecdotal.

If you can't even read a few posts back to see how the conversation evolved and your only criticism is to spout buzz words that make conservatives scared you're only worth talking to to mock.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2020 09:21pm)
Meth can have equal time but unequal enforcement. Far more pressure on inner cities to crack down on drugs than rural hillbillies cooking meth. Meth is also way worse than crack. It has longer effects, is more damaging, and has worse long-term use consequences. According to most people I know who have done both they said meth is more addictive and it's not even close, but that part is anecdotal.

If you can't even read a few posts back to see how the conversation evolved and your only criticism is to spout buzz words that make conservatives scared you're only worth talking to to mock.


Drug crimes are very often prosecuted as a direct result of other crimes. Inner cities have more crime, ergo, they have more drug arrests as a result. You aren't going to nab the banker doing coke when he is committing no underlying crime that warrants a police presence.
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Drug crimes are very often prosecuted as a direct result of other crimes. Inner cities have more crime, ergo, they have more drug arrests as a result. You aren't going to nab the banker doing coke when he is committing no underlying crime that warrants a police presence.


Yeah, and we can then just ignore that black people of the same status have several times more contact with the police regardless of if they are doing anything wrong, and are far more likely to be searched.

You guys are just incapable of looking at the full picture honestly, you can only cherry pick certain things and ignore others or your argument falls apart.

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Yeah, and we can then just ignore that black people of the same status have several times more contact with the police regardless of if they are doing anything wrong, and are far more likely to be searched.

You guys are just incapable of looking at the full picture honestly, you can only cherry pick certain things and ignore others or your argument falls apart.


Police presence is greater in the inner city because the inner city has more crime. As a result, inner city residents have more contacts with the police. That is simply the reality of the situation. When we poll blacks specifically, they are largely in favor of either the same or greater police presence.

If drug crimes should not actually be crimes, then let's get rid of drug crimes. Our laws today were implemented decades ago with widespread,diverse support. If we made a mistake, so be it. Inner city crime was perceived to be a problem, that problem was understood to be linked to drugs, crack cocaine was the drug of choice, ergo harsh laws against crack cocaine. Rather than follow this simple logic, acknowledge that it had unintended side effects, and correct it, you've embarked down some conspiratorial rabbit hole.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 19 2020 06:30pm)
Yeah, and we can then just ignore that black people of the same status have several times more contact with the police regardless of if they are doing anything wrong, and are far more likely to be searched.

You guys are just incapable of looking at the full picture honestly, you can only cherry pick certain things and ignore others or your argument falls apart.


I've been pulled over several hundred times by police, personally. I've been searched by police dozens of times, and had officers point weapons at me a half dozen times.

Never been arrested or charged for anything, shot or tazed, because I'd done nothing wrong. Merely lived in a bad area that was high crime, and left for work at 3am, driving a bad car. And when confrontation occurred, I simply complied.

Am I really black, suddenly, or am I still white?

As it turns out, circumstance dictates a lot more in regards to police interaction than ethnicity. If you look at the highest crime areas of most cities, it turns out that they are areas with poor economic circumstance. You see a lot more burglary, theft, robbery, and violent crime. Due to the existence of the higher rate of crime, there's a higher police presence, and a lot more preventative policing is practiced in an attempt to keep crime under control. Due to the higher presence and more active policing, there's significantly more police interaction.

The fact that such areas tend to have a higher proportion of minority representation than that represented by overall population counts? That's a separate discussion. But to claim that black people (or other minorities) are being singled out? Is simply false.

And Meth crimes are far FAR more common on the west coast than Crack crimes. To simply say that people are totally able to get away with possession, sale, and production of meth is to show nothing more than ignorance.

This need to minimize everything experienced by everyone who isn't black and derail every topic that has nothing to do with your little cause is why BLM support only survives for a month or two, then everyone remembers that BLM is a supremacist group, and showing support is morally comparable to supporting the KKK.

The person who was straight out murdered was a Portland resident, was attempting to protect local businesses from violent rioters, and was shot dead execution style by white terrorist for being a supposed Trump supporter. If you believe that BLM is a peaceful and morally right cause, you should be attempting to distance your cause from this fucker. Forget that he has the black power fist tattooed to his neck. He's a terrorist. He commits murder in an attempt to enforce his political beliefs on others. Terrorist. Nothing good, nothing right.

Get off your bandwagon and realize that a man is never going to go home to their family, is never going to contribute to the world, is never going to have another day with their loved ones. And his crime? He attempted to protect local businesses, many of which are minority owned and operated.

You're such a hypocrite little shill. Claim to care, brush off murder. Just delete your account with that nonsense.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 19 2020 08:46pm)
Police presence is greater in the inner city because the inner city has more crime. As a result, inner city residents have more contacts with the police. That is simply the reality of the situation. When we poll blacks specifically, they are largely in favor of either the same or greater police presence.

If drug crimes should not actually be crimes, then let's get rid of drug crimes. Our laws today were implemented decades ago with widespread,diverse support. If we made a mistake, so be it. Inner city crime was perceived to be a problem, that problem was understood to be linked to drugs, crack cocaine was the drug of choice, ergo harsh laws against crack cocaine. Rather than follow this simple logic, acknowledge that it had unintended side effects, and correct it, you've embarked down some conspiratorial rabbit hole.


Oh yes, it's a conspiratorial rabbit hole, we definitely don't have people in the Nixon administration on tape admitting that was their goal in authoring those laws.

Again, you have to go out of your way to ignore important details that I know for a fact you are aware of.

You didn't used to be this blatantly dishonest.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 19 2020 09:06pm)
I've been pulled over several hundred times by police, personally. I've been searched by police dozens of times, and had officers point weapons at me a half dozen times.


Calling bullshit already.

At least don't make your brazen lies so obvious.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 19 2020 08:07pm
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Calling bullshit already.

At least don't make your brazen lies so obvious.


You can say whatever you want. It's brazenly obvious that not only do you support terrorism as long as it's for "your side", but you've never personally experienced anything in your life. Once you develop a set of principles, get back to us.
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