Devil is in the details. The self-defense isn't punishment argument seems pretty weak to me, but there are a ton of missing details. What McMichaels were doing is a-kin to what a cry bully does on the playground.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on May 20 2020 08:53am

morally yes. legally probably no. Georgia is a long gun open carry state, which means walking up to someone with a gun drawn isn't an escalation of force leaving you at fault for a conflict that follows.

there's a reason open carry states and states with a big racism history have such a large crossover.

if those 'he was a sweet boy' stories trigger you so much, you should ask yourself why people tell them - because racist scum acts like if they could prove he committed a crime in the past, then the murder is somehow justified.

it's funny how you try so hard to appear 'balanced', but always end up giving your bias away by not managing to think more than just one layer deep.

No, its still clearly self defense, just unjustifiable. So its a question of whether it can be justified or not. Not whether its a punishment.
You don't punish someone by getting your head bashed in by them and grappling with them in a fight to the death over a gun.
Not all forms of criminal violations of one person against another are a form of extrajudicial punishment. Was Ahmaud Arbery 'punishing' the people he was stealing from in the past?

Yes, Arbrey was killed defending himself from his killers. Nobody is saying self-defense is wrong except supporters of the McMichaels in this instance.

Carry =/= brandishing

Show me the statute thst shows it is legal to point a shotgun at a stranger for no justified reason. I'll wait for it.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 20 2020 09:18am

i dont frankly see the point, if there's a law that excuses this killing legally i dont support it. ive already said that these fucks deserve to get raped on Cell block B for a few decades, that i dont support ANY vigilante justice unless imminent loss of life is in play (exceedingly rare), that these men did what they did for racist reasons, etc.

i've hardened the blade in the quench oil as hard as i can, early in the thread, but providing legal context and scrutiny about media behavior is just a bit of tempering. too hard of a blade will crack.

Georgia has open carry for long guns, Georgia is racist, Georgia has stand your ground laws.

A.) you're legally allowed to have a gun on you openly while confronting someone
B.) you're legally allowed to "stand your ground" if that person then makes any move towards you by pointing the gun at them
C.) you're legally allowed to shoot that person if they reach for the gun.

stand your ground laws + open carry are a bad combo. they allow for legally justified morally unjustified acts. i hope it doesnt go that way in court, but i think it will.


Context: my post 9 days ago, my opinion hasnt changed




This post was edited by thesnipa on May 20 2020 09:27am

Are you saying that Arbery was trying to carry out extrajudicial punishment on the McMichaels for stalking him?



has there been any evidence so far that the carried guns were actually pointed at Arbery? I've seen so much politicized spam about the case the thin facts have been deeply buried so I don't actually know if someone has evidence of that or not. I'd assume that when they were behind the truck in the video and Arbery grabbed the gun and was shot through the hand- that it must not have been pointed at him, else it would have struck him in the body after passing through his hand.

also, Georgia has no actual brandishing law unlike many other states, leaving it entirely up to the very rough fit into 'aggravated assault'

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 20 2020 09:27am

Its too bad people don't know about jury nullification.

I suppose that could come down to whose peers are on the jury, McMichael's or Arbery's.

Generally it is the peers of the McMichael's deciding on the fate of McMichael's while Arbery's and his peers are corpses.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 20 2020 09:37am

You'll have the McMichael's defense lawyers striking down any black jurors in voir dire, and a sympathetic DA doing the same from the other end. or they'll just charge with murder 1 knowing the case cant be made.