the difference to ramsay's dogs is that they cared if there was food at the end of the day. trump can just tell his that mexicans got their food and they will turn on them...

Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson have been vocally critical of Trump in the last month, a marked change, and both now view him as not able to get much of anything done.

the doggies could eat their own paws off and you couldn't be asked to notice, frankly.

well it's true that i don't follow fox news too closely, so i won't even contest that two amongst the millions might have growled a little occasionally, but the dogs that i observe and have contact with haven't changed their tune in the slightest - if anything their double standards and apologetic narratives have become even worse. so your desperate hypotheticals are pretty much irrelevant.

Who do you actually interact with on a somewhat intelligent level about this subject?

not more than you and other reasonable people have: acknowledge it, point it out, be aware of the beginnings and vigilant about its development.
and then there are the apologists who act like it's not a big deal at all, and as long as no concrete action is taken you might as well ignore it, apparently completely oblivious that this is exactly the attitude paving the way for it to happen WITHOUT the appropriate response...

"i dont watch actual influencers from the other side, but i know some people who counter what you're saying (anecdotal evidence), so you're wrong even though i can neither confirm nor deny prominent conservatives support of Trump"

its funny that you give Trump unlimited credit for being able to dog whistle the masses, as well as fox new generally, but then when the most prominent commentators counter your narrative they're just "one in a thousand".

you're as consistent as rice pudding.

when "not following fox too closely" becomes "i don't watch actual influencers from the other side" in order to make a 'point' you know that you're incapable of making an intellectually honest argument. thanks for playing, kid...

and if you were actually able to stay on topic and not kept pivoting you'd realise that two fox news talking heads occasionally disagreeing with trump does not 'counter' my 'narrative' that trump pretty obviously favours censorship when it comes to media criticising him...

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When all you have is a weak ass semantic argument that boils down to "i explicitly said this and not that"....... lol

you imply intent and dog whistles like you're paid a $ for each instance. but i point out you didn't follow along close enough to notice shifts extrapolated from you saying you don't pay close attention and i'm grasping for a point.

if you wrote a top 10 list of the media personalities that are the most pro trump you'd be hard pressed to put Coulter and Carlson out of the top 4. Hannity is clearly #1, and coulter and carlson are imo 2 and 3 depending on the week they shift.

the two of them signalling a loss of faith is substantial, its been pointed out in multiple threads in PARD, and you missed it. that's fine, my point is wasn't that you should feel bad for missing it, it's that you should feel bad about yourself as a person because if it was waved in front of your face repeatedly you'd deny it based on narrative smashing biases. you're not capable of feeling self doubt tho, it seems.

there is no appropriate response there are just responses to his free speech as a powerful political figure

To people opposed his supporters will never respond appropriately no matter how hard they try to separate the policy from the madman

to his followers everything critical deserves total youtube compilation clip "annihilation"

Presidents try to push their power all the time the main difference here is we have a super emotional lifelong spoiled dude talking a whole lot of shit when he does it...but when he has tried it he has been checked by the system

So we can all bark at each other with our opinions and reactions to his words but there really isn't a problem until the system starts failing us and in my view the opposite has happened with Trump, it's worked pretty damn well so far at keeping him all bark and no bite

yeah sure, pointing out that you completely misrepresented what i actually stated, in order to create yet another lazy pivot ignoring trump's censorship phantasies, is purely semantic...
i could not even hope to insult your intelligence worse than your own 'arguments' do. great job...



of course there is an appropriate response to trump actually following through on the ideas he keeps publicly floating in regards to censoring critical media: withdrawing all support from and kicking his lazy fat ass out of office. but again, the 'this is fine' narratives from the right clearly indicate that they would NOT react that way...