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Feb 27 2015 07:38pm
Quote (Santara @ Feb 27 2015 07:18pm)
Please. You couldn't even be bothered to read a wiki on the notion, you couldn't be bothered to try grasping the excerpts provided, tell me more about your "research."

Let's try a fun one. There is a right to travel. True or false?


Depends on circumstance. All rights depend on circumstance IMO.
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Quote (Santara @ Feb 28 2015 04:33am)
No, power rests with the consent given by the governed. People are no longer the property of the king to do with as he pleases. Why? Because the people no longer tolerate it.

mmh? so it's about power again now?
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There weren't legal revolts against the kings. There were worldwide denials that kings served the interests of the people and the people were able to take matters into their own hands.

legal revolts? what?
but there were a plenty or revolts and revolutions. the French state shifted from democracy to monarchy to democracy to monarchy (you get the gist).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848
or the Hungarian rebellions?
or the Polish ones?
etc.

did the declaration of unshakable autocracy just spring out of nowhere?
what about the murder of Umberto I? or Alexander II?

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Power shifted, and so did the concept of which entities of society held right(s).

uhh. yes?

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Natural rights and essential rights are pretty much the same thing.

yeah, and that's where the king gets his right to rule. get the drift?

Quote (Santara @ Feb 28 2015 04:33am)
Of which era? And what is the connection to the discussion?

it was referring to "people doing the right thing even if no one forces them to" (or something like that) back a few posts back.

This post was edited by Gastly on Feb 27 2015 08:02pm
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Feb 27 2015 08:32pm



Good line: If you think you know more than doctors, why would you go to a doctor who knows less than you?
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Feb 27 2015 09:03pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 27 2015 10:32pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpfNScEd3M


Good line: If you think you know more than doctors, why would you go to a doctor who knows less than you?



Because i need his signature to get drug, surgery or any other treatment i need, however retarded he could be.






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Feb 27 2015 09:13pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 27 2015 07:38pm)
Depends on circumstance. All rights depend on circumstance IMO.


In general.

Quote (Gastly @ Feb 27 2015 07:56pm)
mmh? so it's about power again now?


You brought up power, not me.

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legal revolts? what?
but there were a plenty or revolts and revolutions. the French state shifted from democracy to monarchy to democracy to monarchy (you get the gist).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848
or the Hungarian rebellions?
or the Polish ones?
etc.

did the declaration of unshakable autocracy just spring out of nowhere?
what about the murder of Umberto I? or Alexander II?


In light of the long-held notion of the right of kings to supremely rule, the new concept of natural rights flew straight in the face of it. Revolting against the king was considered an egregious violation of the then-standard rights of society.

There wasn't a clear line of "this side of the line is king's rights, and that side is natural rights." It was a process. It's still a process to an extent even to this day.

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yeah, and that's where the king gets his right to rule. get the drift?


Um, no? Natural law is NOT where a king "gets the right to rule."
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Feb 27 2015 10:18pm
http://www.cms.gov/openpayments/

Who has your doctor been 'having lunch with'?
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Feb 27 2015 10:20pm
Quote (Santara @ Feb 28 2015 06:13am)
You brought up power, not me.

yeap. i just didn't wish to disregard it at any point because it can't be disregarded.

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In light of the long-held notion of the right of kings to supremely rule, the new concept of natural rights flew straight in the face of it. Revolting against the king was considered an egregious violation of the then-standard rights of society.

yes, it's what i talked about when talking about the weakness of essentialism and the relation of rights to power.
my point is that these natural rights exist as much as the "kings' rights" do. as in that they don't. as in that they exist like other rights do.

Quote (Santara @ Feb 28 2015 06:13am)
Um, no? Natural law is NOT where a king "gets the right to rule."

except that my answer pointed out to your post about "essential rights". that's the part about "get the drift?"

This post was edited by Gastly on Feb 27 2015 10:22pm
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Apr 28 2015 03:24pm
I support mandatory vaccinations so long as there are religious exemptions.
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Apr 28 2015 03:54pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 27 2015 06:38pm)
Depends on circumstance. All rights depend on circumstance IMO.


I was gonna say, depends on whether or not we know that this person is going to have Ebola 2 posts later when we say he has the right to travel xD
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Apr 28 2015 04:02pm
I say we apply vaccinations via nano-technology delivered nation wide by chem-trails

owait maybe they already have..
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