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Sep 16 2010 06:50pm
Quote (shay11 @ Sep 16 2010 07:38pm)
You realize how foolish it is to be making scientific arguments about metal melting points and the like when you have no such training right?


i guess you didnt read were i mention i have been welding since my trade school training?
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Sep 16 2010 06:55pm
Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 07:32pm)
I missed the part about remove the space, my bad.
reading now, still alot of stuff there from NIST and they have shown nothing but avoidance to some of the real questions
video on there shows so much molten metal streaming out like its being cut with a oxy acetylene torch, and to fall and such a great distance and stay red shows a chemical reaction is takeing place, aka thermite
no fuel could melt alum like this


Ever throw a beer can into a bonfire? It melts pretty easily, and at temperatures far lower than the estimated 1650F in the inferno inside the tower.
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Sep 17 2010 09:22am
inb4 sinbads next bump
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Sep 17 2010 09:23am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 07:55pm)
Ever throw a beer can into a bonfire? It melts pretty easily, and at temperatures far lower than the estimated 1650F in the inferno inside the tower.


since i dont drink beer no i havent, i used a soda can though and all it does is burn off,it wrinkles up turns a dirty gray and burns off.
also its not wise to do that unless you want emphysema later in life, alum fumes like any metal fumes are just not good for you

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inb4 sinbads next bump


ok what hell does "inb" stand for?

This post was edited by sinbad2 on Sep 17 2010 09:24am
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Sep 17 2010 09:32am
Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 17 2010 10:23am)
since i dont drink beer no i havent, i used a soda can though and all it does is burn off,it wrinkles up turns a dirty gray and burns off.
also its not wise to do that unless you want emphysema later in life, alum fumes like any metal fumes are just not good for you



ok what hell does "inb" stand for?


in before
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Sep 17 2010 09:33am
When it comes to the molten metal, has anyone factored in the crazy amount of potential energy turned into kinetic energy turned into heat when the whole motherfucker fell down in their official explanation?

i cbf to look up stupid conspiracy debunkings right now as I am very tired, but I know that I have snapped wire coat hangers in half by bending them over and over until they snapped, and the friction of them bending before they snapped ended up with them being very hot on the spot that was going all bendy. It stands to reason that an entire buckling 110 story structure that's on fire might end up pulling off a more extreme version of this sort of thing in some spots, which would only exacerbate the very nasty heat already going on.
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Sep 17 2010 09:42am
Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 06:50pm)
i guess you didnt read were i mention i have been welding since my trade school training?


Yeah. That definately qualifies you to make speculations on structural engineering. :rolleyes:
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Sep 17 2010 10:21am
It's why i'm not sure of what happenned the 9/11, because all people trying to get the point but it isn't really happend..
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Sep 17 2010 11:05am
Quote (jerds24 @ Sep 17 2010 10:32am)
in before


ok thanks

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Sep 17 2010 10:33am)
When it comes to the molten metal, has anyone factored in the crazy amount of potential energy turned into kinetic energy turned into heat when the whole motherfucker fell down in their official explanation?

i cbf to look up stupid conspiracy debunkings right now as I am very tired, but I know that I have snapped wire coat hangers in half by bending them over and over until they snapped, and the friction of them bending before they snapped ended up with them being very hot on the spot that was going all bendy. It stands to reason that an entire buckling 110 story structure that's on fire might end up pulling off a more extreme version of this sort of thing in some spots, which would only exacerbate the very nasty heat already going on.


its only falling from a 1,368 ft point, how could it create eough heat in the first place to melt something so huge.
you make it sound like the core columns didnt even exist

How can you honestly compair a coat hanger, which is in a sense junk metal to 2% crabon steel?
what you did is a constant bending, even titanium would break if bent back and forth non stop.
friction would make things hot i understand that well, but not to the point of melting it,
not from that height anyways, maybe if it was makeing re entry into our atmoshere.

this also ignored the whole concept of tensile strength of that metal, and doesnt explain how pools of molten metal stayed hot for days.


Quote (jjarv @ Sep 17 2010 10:42am)
Yeah. That definately qualifies you to make speculations on structural engineering. :rolleyes:


the fact i know what kind of heat needs to be applied to the metals in question in order to melt it.
the bigger the piece the more heat needed to melt it, and lets not forget thermal conductivity,
the heat would be transfered to other areas of the metal.
with that in mind how can a fuel fire do this?
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Sep 17 2010 11:09am
I really thought that these two tower would have collapsed differently. More likely, not stages by stages like it happened the 9/11. I thought the top of the towers would have not completely destruct the solid base of the towers and fall a little beside it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqWjspz06h4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20FKED_COhw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4erFzhC-U&feature=related

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