Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 9 2024 09:19am)

busting through the tinfoil on both sides the vaccine is perhaps the most expensive mildly effective advancement in modern history.

it is akin to paying 100$ per 80 watt lightbulb when 60 watt is the norm.

the US got bodied by the pharma lobbies into pushing what was at the end of the day a slight increase in preventing covid deaths.

to be fair there's hindsight justification on both sides, due to a lack of testing it wasnt clear in real time. it was sold as covid preventative, which turned out to be false. naysayers claimed it was killing more than covid, and that was false too. its really just a pricey insurance policy that anyone with an even semi normal BMI didnt need, paxlovid appears to be a far better thing in the long run.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 9 2024 09:35am)

100% Agreed spot on.

People on this sub forum say I'm a Trumper and believe in "fake science" but yet I never voted for Trump(or any other POTUS) and I thought one of Trump's biggest blunders was his "Warpspeed vaccine". He allowed his ego and "I'll be the president who solves Covid" into allowing people like Dr. Fauci to carry out a mass experiment on the public(The idea that our government created a vaccine and properly tested it was the greatest illusion ever pulled on the American Public. The VAERS(vaccine adverse events reporting system) went off the charts after the first vaccines were administered. There's hundreds of videos/stories of people getting myocarditis. People passing out and seize'ing on the floor right after they take the Covid vaccine. They used fear tactics into convincing people into taking an "untested product". They rolled up their sleeve and took a shot without asking for a vaccine insert so they could know the potential risks(Some 30 pages long by the way). All the vaccine makers are VOL(vid of litigation) which means as people are damaged by them over the years they cannot sue them and they'll be paying out of pocket to cover the cost.

All these people on here tell me "I don't support the science" but I actually do and when it is faulty it's your responsibility to question things and do the research yourself.

I never even got Covid in all that time and I never took the vaccine. My health didn't change AT ALL during "peak covid". I was playing ice hockey with a bunch of dudes who either didn't take it or did and we all shared a lockeroom. Some people came and played with Covid and none of us really cared.

Why? If you exercise daily. Drink plenty of water. Eat properly. Get 30 minutes of sunlight. Add in some vitamins and you should never get sick(unless you have diabetes or something). I was raised Catholic and studied Buddhism extensively and both don't support "vaccine science" and go with "natural immunity" everytime. I have family who got the vaccine and they were the ones who got Covid MULTIPLE times. Weird right?

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 9 2024 12:19pm)

busting through the tinfoil on both sides the vaccine is perhaps the most expensive mildly effective advancement in modern history.

it is akin to paying 100$ per 80 watt lightbulb when 60 watt is the norm.

the US got bodied by the pharma lobbies into pushing what was at the end of the day a slight increase in preventing covid deaths.

to be fair there's hindsight justification on both sides, due to a lack of testing it wasnt clear in real time. it was sold as covid preventative, which turned out to be false. naysayers claimed it was killing more than covid, and that was false too. its really just a pricey insurance policy that anyone with an even semi normal BMI didnt need, paxlovid appears to be a far better thing in the long run.

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 9 2024 06:30pm)

Herman Cain refusing to get vaccinated and subsequently dying from COVID complications was pretty hilarious

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 9 2024 03:30pm)

Herman Cain refusing to get vaccinated and subsequently dying from COVID complications was pretty hilarious

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2024 04:01pm)

It's not hilarious, it's sad, and there's thousands of people like him who didn't get vaccinated and later died of COVID because they had their brains poisoned by Trump and his propaganda outlets.
And there's plenty of people on this forum who will vote for Trump, and they don't give a fuck about those people.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2024 05:18pm)

Lol. Really?

The vaccine did a great job preventing serious illness and death. It also gave people the confidence to come outside of their houses again, even though the efficacy of preventing the spread of the disease was wrong. The economic benefit of the vaccine was immense.

Just look at some fucking charts of countries like Israel before and after the vaccine. Or look at the other myriad of statistics outside of the fringe ones cited on Joe Rogan's podcast.

Not sure why or when you became a weirdo RFK Jr. nutjob but the COVID vaccine is an example of the greatness of the US big pharma industry. In fact, the COVID pandemic provides an example of how some institutions can work very well(big pharma) and others work very poorly because of politics(teachers unions, Republican party, etc).

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 10 2024 02:07pm)

im a libertarian, so ive never trusted big pharma. no one should, they recall an insane amount of medicines and are insanely greedy. its not like big tobacco greed where they're a total negative, but anyone who doesnt have a serious skepticism of big pharma generally i just dont understand.

RFK jr is correct, like it or not, that chronic illnesses are the single greatest challenge our generation faces. not censorship, or climate change, or racism/sexism/transphobia, etc. we can not handle much more acceleration without it bankrupting america, yet its only the "nutjobs" who seem to care.

as to the vaccines, setting aside confidence to go outside via placebo which id agree is a good effect, i just disagree on it's overall efficacy. its not a total bust, it does help based on the studies (something joe rogan challenges btw, i dont) but it was overpriced and oversold. it doesnt and never was going to prevent spread, like it was sold. being unvaccinated was never the death sentence people pretended it was. and no one should have ever lost their job for not having it, because its a vaccine that just protects the person who got the jab. im sure you'll find something objectionable in there, somehow, but thats all really just facts. id be far more swayed to be more friendly towards provaccine narratives if people could admit the above, but they're entrenched.

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Oct 2024 18:19)

busting through the tinfoil on both sides the vaccine is perhaps the most expensive mildly effective advancement in modern history.

it is akin to paying 100$ per 80 watt lightbulb when 60 watt is the norm.

the US got bodied by the pharma lobbies into pushing what was at the end of the day a slight increase in preventing covid deaths.

to be fair there's hindsight justification on both sides, due to a lack of testing it wasnt clear in real time. it was sold as covid preventative, which turned out to be false. naysayers claimed it was killing more than covid, and that was false too. its really just a pricey insurance policy that anyone with an even semi normal BMI didnt need, paxlovid appears to be a far better thing in the long run.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 10 2024 10:53pm)

It's not just a lack of testing - the scientific and public health community simply didn't expect the virus to undergo major mutations this quickly, nor for these mutations to undercut the effectivenss of the vaccines against infection or transmisson this drastically.
The vaccines were highly effective in preventing not just severe disease but also infection and spreading it to others for the OG variant from the summer of 2020, the variant against which they were developed. By the time the vaccines were rolled out to the masses, we were already dealing with Alpha and then shortly thereafter with Delta, where anything but the protection against severe disease waned after just a handful of weeks.