It's bad PR, but he's totally right. We cannot give bad guys a free pass just because they keep hiding behind human shields.

There are two ways to protect the civilians in Gaza: Israel stopping its operation to take out Hamas, or Hamas surrendering. "Strange" how the folks in the West who claim to be primarily concerned with saving civilian lives invariably call for the first option, never for the latter.



Truth be told, I think most of the population of Gaza already hates Israel as much as is humanly possible. Just look at the gleeful celebrations when people learned about the "successful" Hamas attack on 10/7.
At some point, the whole "you will only turn them into even more fierce enemies"-concept runs into diminishing returns.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 1 2023 08:27am

so when someone says "from the river to the sea" it's a clear call for genocide, but netanyahu's "spare them not, slay both man and woman, infant and suckling", while his military is doing EXACTLY that, it's "overstated"?! the hypocrisy, the complicity...
israel came and starved children. bombed children. crushed children. burned children. shot children, maimed children. "that is daesh like behaviour". so should they "pay dearly" as well? or is your sympathy only with a certain kind of children? oh right, i already know...

honestly, this whole debate is kind of a scary insight into human nature. i always wondered how people some 80 years ago in germany just let that happen, how they could have been so indifferent, so unsympathetic, way too many of them enthusiastically in favour of the de-humanisation and oppression, and the eventual indiscriminate killing of a people. was it just the times they grew up in? a lack of access to information? the bigotry of a "smaller" world back then?
this thread is unfortunately a great illustration of how quickly that can happen, even nowadays. how people just abandon any reason, compassion, and humanity - how they don't care about the suffering of others, inflicted by a ruthless apartheid state, and deceive themselves with transparent lies and excuses... all it takes is some basic ignorance, some well-placed propaganda about the the other-ness and sub-human nature of the victims, some broad generalisations and vilifications, and seemingly reasonable people, even the victims of previous generations, will bend over backwards to justify and commit the most obvious cruelties, outright war crimes, ethnic cleansing...

its like the german saying "wash my pelt, but dont make me wet"

really??? My god this topic.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 1 2023 08:52am

isn't wolf blitzer one of the most staunchly pro-israel talking heads on msm?

holy shit, imagine being so ruthless, so cruel, that you start losing even people like him...

Where's the flaw in the logic? if a group of people already desire for complete and utter genocide of their enemies how much more radicalized can they get?

especially in context where the power imbalance is as vast as it is, so presumably the "everyone right now pick up whatever weapons you can find and march over there" isn't an option. they have only one realistic option to attack israel, happily give up water and fuel to Hamas, so they can use it to create rockets, and fire them at israel. and they're already there.

every well has a bottom, whether you can or can't climb out of it doesnt change that.

Yeah, day after day it's confirmed. Exactly like almost everyone was expecting: it's an asymetric massacre, far bigger than what terrorists did.
Once again U.S are deeply implicated in mass killings in middle east by being the number 1 supporting it.
Doesn't means Russia, Iran, or China (uigurs) are much better.

Half of the Democrat base is enthusiastically pro-Palestine, if not even pro-Hamas, in this conflict, and they make up a majority of CNN's viewership. CNN has to give their viewers what they want. It's similar to Fox News cozying up to Trump although most of their anchors and donors secretly hated him.

number of civilians murdered with USA funding & blessing in just a few days laves no doubt whatsoever that Russia is much better

It matters not how radicalized these animals are (and they are already at max), you simply declaw them and they're no longer a threat. That's what Israel is doing.

They can take a swim and go be radical animals somewhere else, just not next to Israel.