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Jul 9 2020 01:27pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jul 9 2020 10:36am)
Yeah, but they put Trump in office... indirectly.



Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.
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Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/21/upshot/america-political-divide-urban-rural.html
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Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.



I thought you were for minority rights? Why are you arguing for tyranny of the majority?
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Jul 9 2020 01:34pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Jul 9 2020 02:27pm)
Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.


california has 55 electoral votes.
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Jul 9 2020 01:49pm
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Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.


Smaller states are minimally overrepresented in their number of electoral votes, but that's not the reason Trump won. The crux is the first past the post system on a state basis, which gives the candidate whose voters are more evenly distributed across large parts of the country an advantage over the candidate whose support is concentrated in a handful of strongholds. The states in which Trump had a majority do represent a majority of the US population. He lost the popular vote because he dominated "his" states less thoroughly than Hillary did in "her" states.


A nice reversal of this theme was the 2019 General Election in Canada: liberal party PM Justin Trudeau won a parliamentary majority and reelection while losing the popular vote. Why did that happen? Because the conservative party won its stronghold, the fracking and shale oil province of Alberta, by a gigantic margin. A strong majority of the Canadian electorate in the rest of the country is for an end of fracking and for scaling down fossil fuel use, but the residents of the province that got rich from fracking are overwhelmingly against it. This example goes to show that a split between the popular vote and majorities in parliament or electoral college do not automatically benefit the conservatives or right-wing parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 9 2020 02:05pm
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Smaller states are minimally overrepresented in their number of electoral votes, but that's not the reason Trump won. The crux is the first past the post system on a state basis, which gives the candidate whose voters are more evenly distributed across large parts of the country an advantage over the candidate whose support is concentrated in a handful of strongholds. The states in which Trump had a majority do represent a majority of the US population. He lost the popular vote because he dominated "his" states less thoroughly than Hillary did in "her" states.


A nice reversal of this theme was the 2019 General Election in Canada: liberal party PM Justin Trudeau won a parliamentary majority and reelection while losing the popular vote. Why did that happen? Because the conservative party won its stronghold, the fracking province of Alberta, by a gigantic margin. A strong majority of the Canadian electorate in the rest of the country is for an end of fracking and for scaling down fossil fuel use, but the residents of the province that got rich from fracking are overwhelmingly against it. This example goes to show that a split between the popular vote and majorities in parliament or electoral college do not automatically benefit the conservatives or right-wing parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election


Romney won 24 states and was CRUSHED electorally. the conservatives have "an electoral advantage" whenever they win according to liberals.

HRC won like 20 states, lost every battleground state, and its the electoral colleges fault? lmao
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Jul 9 2020 01:54pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 9 2020 09:18am)
well I guess we were already technically at the "driving down the road is a hate crime" stage but this just affirms it and takes it to its logical next step

https://i.imgur.com/K9CggY9.png


That is right in front of the police station it's likely the cops did it while peeling out to an emergency. Ruh roh

(It's difficult to believe anyone else would be driving crazy when there's cop cars parked all around that exact intersection)

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Romney won 24 states and was CRUSHED electorally. the conservatives have "an electoral advantage" whenever they win according to liberals.

HRC won like 20 states, lost every battleground state, and its the electoral colleges fault? lmao

no it was ‘russias’ fault lmfao!!!
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Jul 9 2020 02:03pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Jul 9 2020 03:27pm)
Correct. Indirectly because they are a minority with greater proportional representation because of the electoral college. Their dirt, shrubs, and cattle have more political representation than human beings living in cities. Taxation without representation is still harming America.



Well, the cattle have more sense than the people living in big cities. You don't see cattle living in big cities.
And what by all means does taxation have to do with the Electoral College? :D
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Romney won 24 states and was CRUSHED electorally. the conservatives have "an electoral advantage" whenever they win according to liberals.

HRC won like 20 states, lost every battleground state, and its the electoral colleges fault? lmao


or, you know, when they win despite getting almost three million(!) fewer votes than their opponent?

but let's say your idiotic little spin was actually correct, and there is NO advantage for republicans in the EC - it's still a shitty and inherently undemocratic system, and should be abolished. no matter who it actually favours.
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