Quote (thundercock @ Jun 19 2020 02:19pm)

Vietnam ended due to political pressure. You can't point to a single event but things like Kent State contributed to the end of the war.

And like I said, things are ALREADY changing. Before the election this year, over half the states will have passed meaningful police legislation. How is that not "working through the system?" Obviously that won't be "enough" for some people and it will be "too much" for others, but that's the democratic process.

Quote (excellence @ Jun 19 2020 10:55am)

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racist scumbag election-denier taking a “summer vaction to an area with zero diversity” to ‘learn from his mistakes’

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 19 2020 02:34pm)

Oh, now I understand. You still think this is a democracy. :)

Quote (thundercock @ Jun 19 2020 05:55pm)

There are many democratic elements in our political system. My point is, people can make meaningful change. If they couldn't, we'd still be a British colony :)

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 19 2020 03:00pm)

People can definitely make meaningful change, but not the way I've been seeing it attempted recently.
I mean, I've heard a lot of promises, but really haven't seen anything concrete.

Quote (thesnipa @ 19 Jun 2020 14:24)

to be fair i think many moderates are pandering to avoid perceived backlash. but time will tell.

Quote (thundercock @ Jun 19 2020 06:04pm)

Like I said, look at the legislation that's being passed. If a state bans chokeholds by police, is that not change? We now have bodycams on police which help absolve or condemn police officers using force. Is that not change? The squeaky wheel will always get the grease.

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 19 2020 05:00pm)

People can definitely make meaningful change, but not the way I've been seeing it attempted recently.
I mean, I've heard a lot of promises, but really haven't seen anything concrete.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 19 2020 12:22pm)

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