Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 18 2020 11:21pm)

Companies dont care about fairness, they care about their workers living a stable, healthy life in a stable, healthy environment.

And just for the record: when someone worked his way out of poverty to get a good prior job or a good degree, that's already inherently a plus compared to someone who was basically born into those things. It shows determination, work ethics and the ability to cope with adversity. So when the black or working-class candidate is "neck and neck" with the white middle class candidate like postulated in my argument, then this factor has already been taken into account on his behalf, meaning that the white guy must have had slightly better credentials to compensate for the black candidate's more compelling life story.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Jun 2020 06:53)

You are incorrect though, it hasn't been taken into account, because in the experiments that thundercock is referencing they literally submitted the same resume with only the name changed. Companies do not take this into account, they just discount the black name and leave it at that. That is why this is a clear example of systematic racism.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 18 2020 11:59pm)

I thought we were talking about a situaion where two applicants already are at a job interview. If the study is about who gets a job interview in the first place, that's a different story. Also, there is a fuckton of discrimination in every direction when it comes to the latter. Even white people with great credentials struggle to even get a job interview if their address shows them coming from the worst ghetto of the town or having been to the wrong school. But yes, a "black" name is another negative factor at this stage, I dont deny that.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Jun 2020 07:06)

So yeah, since people with "black names" are denied job calls despite having identical resumes, that's an example of systematic/institutional racism.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 19 2020 12:08am)

White people with hillbilly-sounding names are also less likely to be invited to a job interview compared to those with "posh" names. In places like Silicon Valley, an Indian or Chinese sounding name might even be an advantage over a white name.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 19 2020 12:08am)

White people with hillbilly-sounding names are also less likely to be invited to a job interview compared to those with "posh" names. In places like Silicon Valley, an Indian or Chinese sounding name might even be an advantage over a white name.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 19 Jun 2020 07:15)

So you've found one specific area where it may be different for some groups. What's your point? In 99% of the nation for 99% of the jobs the point stands.