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Jun 18 2020 09:43pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 18 2020 10:39pm)
You'll all learn. Too bad it has to be the hard way.


This is what a patriot looks like, plebes. Revert everything back to the feudal system like real Americans. Know your place.
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Jun 18 2020 09:46pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 18 2020 09:25pm)
Remember that time there was a peaceful protest and Ghot totally supported their right to protest?


Yeah! That was a good one. Didn't amount to anything at all, but it was a doozy.
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Jun 18 2020 09:47pm
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"Institutional"? Lol are you gay? People who say institutional are into the deep fag docking shit.



Yea. Its happening right now in Libya under Muslim


And in america with sex slaves and migrant workers.
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Jun 18 2020 09:53pm
Quote (Tyrantus @ Jun 18 2020 11:43pm)
This is what a patriot looks like, plebes. Revert everything back to the feudal system like real Americans. Know your place.



None of this crap that's been going on will affect me. But it will affect the minorities.

You have to induce change by working through the system. Every generation has to learn that ya can't fight city hall. And you can learn about it the easy way, via history, or the hard way.
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Jun 18 2020 09:55pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 18 2020 10:39pm)
You'll all learn. Too bad it has to be the hard way.


That's the difference. We'll learn.

You, however, will continue with your head firmly stuck up your bum.

Quote (SBD @ Jun 18 2020 10:46pm)
Yeah! That was a good one. Didn't amount to anything at all, but it was a doozy.


Yeah, that time he definitely supported that guy kneeling at a football game. Super peaceful, he was all for it!

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 18 2020 09:55pm
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 18 2020 10:53pm)
None of this crap that's been going on will affect me. But it will affect the minorities.

You have to induce change by working through the system. Every generation has to learn that ya can't fight city hall. And you can learn about it the easy way, via history, or the hard way.


That totally explains the Revolutionary War. They totally worked through the system with diplomacy via musketballs. Let us not forget the stunning display of working through the bureaucracy of the French Revolution of 1848 too, that one was a doozy. And how could I forget to mention the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Wait, I think you have this history thing backwards... but what do I know. =/
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You folks don't think I invented the old saying: "You can't fight city hall", do you? It was already an old saying long before I was born. I wonder how it got to BE an old saying.
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Jun 18 2020 10:12pm
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Would you hire someone named Tyrone Obagangu or James McTrump if all things are equal? Studies have shown that corporations will hire McTrump by large margins. How is that not institutional racism?


Blacks have higher degrees of poverty, lacking education, broken familiies and social peer groups, commit crimes at higher rates and are, on average, of poorer health.
If a company has to make a hiring decision with imperfect/incomplete information, and both candidates appear to be neck and neck, then it is only logical for them to go with the safer choice of the white guy.

The same situation by the way also applies to comparisons between working-class and middle class whites.
Kevin McCornwiggle will also be less likely to be hired than Charles Fairbanks.

It is a natural (albeit problematic) feature of human societies that inequality tends to reproduce itself. I disagree with the notion that taking existing socioeconomic inequality into consideration during decision-making is evidence of "systemic racism".



Don't get me wrong, systemic racism does exist in America (although opinions vary wildly on its extent...), and a lot of the existing inequalities are based on discrimination or are echos of discrimination from decades or even over a century ago. Nonetheless, the example you gave is not correct, it is not systemic racism - it is an example of rational decision-making in the face of an ugly social reality. It is this social reality that has to be tackled; attempts at forcing companies to make irrational choices by imposing "diversity quotas" and such are destined to fail.
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Jun 18 2020 10:15pm
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Blacks have higher degrees of poverty, lacking education, broken familiies and social peer groups, commit crimes at higher rates and are, on average, of poorer health.
If a company has to make a hiring decision with imperfect/incomplete information, and both candidates appear to be neck and neck, then it is only logical for them to go with the safer choice of the white guy.
The same situation by the way also applies to comparisons between working-class and middle class whites.
Kevin McCornwiggle will also be less likely to be hired than Charles Fairbanks.
It is a natural (albeit problematic) feature of human societies that inequality tends to reproduce itself. I disagree with the notion that taking existing socioeconomic inequality into consideration during decision-making is evidence of "systemic racism".
Don't get me wrong, systemic racism does exist in America (although opinions vary wildly on its extent...), and a lot of the existing inequalities are based on discrimination or are echos of discrimination from decades or even over a century ago. Nonetheless, the example you gave is not correct, it is not systemic racism - it is an example of rational decision-making in the face of an ugly social reality. It is this social reality that has to be tackled; attempts at forcing companies to make irrational choices by imposing "diversity quotas" and such are destined to fail.


This is pretty much the perfect example of just blatant racism.

You basically just said "I know that one started with a disadvantage, and they got equal marks, but I'm gonna go with the one who didn't have to claw harder to get there only based on race"

The example he gave is systematic racism, and your justification of it is also racism. The person who created a resume equal to the person who had an advantage is more qualified. They did the same work with less resources.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 18 2020 10:20pm
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This is pretty much the perfect example of just blatant racism.

You basically just said "I know that one started with a disadvantage, and they got equal marks, but I'm gonna go with the one who didn't have to claw harder to get there"


Companies dont care about fairness, they care about their workers living a stable, healthy life in a stable, healthy environment.

And just for the record: when someone worked his way out of poverty to get a good prior job or a good degree, that's already inherently a plus compared to someone who was basically born into those things. It shows determination, work ethics and the ability to cope with adversity. So when the black or working-class candidate is "neck and neck" with the white middle class candidate like postulated in my argument, then this factor has already been taken into account on his behalf, meaning that the white guy must have had slightly better credentials to compensate for the black candidate's more compelling life story.
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