I’m out from this endless loop. You keep hiding behind the numbers as if it cancels everything we’ve been discussing about for the last 300 something pages.
Let’s agree to disagree.

its important to look at what is actually happening, far too many innocent people are being slaughtered because an extremist organization controls the strip of land they live on
Im not hiding behind anything

the fact that you have to resort to such obviously moronic scenarios in order to reject the common sense (and explicitly stated) conclusion that a combination of intelligence and special forces identifying and eliminating the perpetrators would lead to lower civilian casualties than the indiscriminate bombing and starving of millions of people, just shows me how far you are from even attempting a good faith argument. also pretty rich to clutch your pearls about a "cheap" comment when you repeatedly and deliberately misrepresented my position as the exact opposite of what i argued throughout this whole thread.

speaking of which, you did it again: i don't say you're "in favour" of slaughtering innocent children just because you "think israel has a right to defend itself" (something that i have repeatedly said myself btw), i say you "make excuses" for the slaughtering of children because you KNOW israel could do more to prevent that, but you argue that they shouldn't. you inadvertently gave it away in your previous post, not that it wasn't already blatantly obvious, since no one can actually be THAT ignorant or dumb...

i also find it strange to talk about the "civilised" side when that side maintained the longest occupation in history, established an apartheid regime, and actively prevents the palestinians from even just exploiting their own resources, denies them the tools and equipment to repair their sewage treatment facilities, power plants, and airport. cherry on top is the thinly veiled racist notion "wHy dOn'T tHeY jUsT bUiLd tHemSeLvEs sOmEtHiNg NiCe LiKe iSrAeL dOeS? cOz DeY jUsT aNiMaLs wHo oNLy tHinK aBoUt gEnoCiDe" btw, when israel does everything in its power to prevent them from building a functioning state.



i have already noticed you struggle with reading comprehension, but maybe try not to make it that obvious? nothing in your post is even remotely close to what i suggested, lol...

I’m a father of two, it’s terrible to think of even one child that dies.
And yet I can’t find a better way to eliminate the evil which is Hamas than what the IDF is currently doing.

I was right. (vid title)

hiding? those "numbers" are the very core of what we're discussing here. unlike your constant straw-manning suggest, we're literally all in agreement that hamas has to go. the difference between us is that you and your ilk favour the vengeance approach, the "bombing and starving the entire population is surely somehow justifiable" line of thinking, whereas people who aren't blatantly racist genocide supporters argue that israel could and should do better than the terrorist, but unfortunately fails to do so.

you can deny and downplay the massive power differential between the sides, you can make your idiotic claims about the precision of your bombs and the utter incompetence of your intelligence service and armed forces all you want - because even if we just accepted all those preposterous lies and misrepresentation, those flimsy excuses of blood-thirsty child killers: your other measures are still a dead giveaway. cutting water, electricity, fuel, and aid to the whole of gaza, after making half of it homeless, is something even YOU people failed to somehow spin as necessary.

the best you could muster was claiming "well, we're not obligated to provide them with anything" - conveniently ignoring the fact that you're pumping and selling them their own (!) water to begin with...

As someone that is extremely emphatic to the plight of the Palestinians

I think Israel could have been far worse in their reaction so far. It is clear America has had an influence and also clear social media has changed the way “war” will work from here on out.

But where I will disagree is that, while we have to accept collateral damage is going to occur, this will not end without an occupation to X degree. If your true goal is to get rid of Hamas it won’t be from bombs in the air killing civilians. It will be from an occupation that includes PLO participation. I really dont see many other options for a lasting 2 state solution, if that really is the goal

And that starts with good faith actors, on all sides

netanyahu has sworn there will be no palestinian statehood as long as he is in charge. that's the main reason he propped up hamas in gaza in the first place. they wouldn't even be in power without him.

u mad bro?

talk to

It's a WAR what don't you get?

You people and your "numbers"......

Rules of engagement? Treaties? Yea.....

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 31 2023 04:45pm

I know you probably never learned this but did you know war also has rules?
might be too hard for your room-temperature IQ brain to process...
I swear, the terrorist sympathizers in this thread will throw any and every excuse out there to justify Israel's barbarism. its sickening. " its just war time bro!! like call of duty!!"

This post was edited by gnarjay on Oct 31 2023 04:49pm