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Jun 15 2020 02:46pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 15 2020 09:43pm)
Ofc it is. If, let's say we remove Robert E Lee statues and then don't teach about him either (which will be the next demand), then poof there goes a part of our history.


There are things called Museums, you know. You should visit one someday.
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Jun 15 2020 02:55pm
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The last few weeks have seen the left encourage widespread looting in American cities, harass their political opponents, lobby to get them fired, and accuse bystanders of participating in "white supremacy" by exercising their right to not get involved.

The editor of the most distinguished leftist newspaper was just fired for publishing the opinion of a sitting US Senator who represents millions of American citizens.

I remember debating Orwell versus Huxley in school and arguing which was the more likely future. I thought for sure it would be Brave New World; after all, who could imagine censorship making a comeback? Now I honestly see how wrong I was.


Quote (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. April 16th. 1963)
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.


Full document can be found here: https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html.

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Jun 15 2020 04:14pm
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Jun 15 2020 04:16pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 15 2020 06:14pm)
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Jun 15 2020 04:18pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 15 2020 04:46pm)
There are things called Museums, you know. You should visit one someday.




Wtf difference does that make. If they move the statues to museums, then the idiots will just burn down museums.
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Jun 15 2020 04:31pm
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There are things called Museums, you know. You should visit one someday.


I'll remove that comment from its context and agree. The SC museum was pretty interesting.








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Jun 15 2020 04:34pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 15 2020 11:18pm)
Wtf difference does that make. If they move the statues to museums, then the idiots will just burn down museums.


A statue in a public place is there for people to revere, it is to show they led an exemplary life.

Having them on the street is validating that they are to be revered, whereas if you had them in a museum you can make the distinction that it's not in public viewing anymore because they weren't worthy of our respect.


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Jun 15 2020 04:47pm
There are statues in the UK of slavers who sent hundreds of thousands of Africans in chains to the US and did no discernable good other than donate some of that money to their cities to cement their legacy as a philanthropist.

I've never quite understood the obsession with revionist history regarding the Confederacy as noble Southern heritage. They were traitors that abandoned the US because they viewed owning slaves as their human right and they got slapped by the Union within 4 years.
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Jun 15 2020 05:08pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 15 2020 06:34pm)
A statue in a public place is there for people to revere, it is to show they led an exemplary life.

Having them on the street is validating that they are to be revered, whereas if you had them in a museum you can make the distinction that it's not in public viewing anymore because they weren't worthy of our respect.


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There are statues in the UK of slavers who sent hundreds of thousands of Africans in chains to the US and did no discernable good other than donate some of that money to their cities to cement their legacy as a philanthropist.

I've never quite understood the obsession with revionist history regarding the Confederacy as noble Southern heritage. They were traitors that abandoned the US because they viewed owning slaves as their human right and they got slapped by the Union within 4 years.




I was born and raised in the north, by parents and grand parents that were born and raised in the north as well. However, I still don't think anyone should be destroying statues, paintings, movies, books, etc., because some folk might be offended.

IMO, offended is a state of mind. In itself there's nothing really offensive about a statue. This crap that's going on now is sort of like the book burning in Germany in WW II. It's just plain stupid. I'm sure that somewhere in the US there is a statue of George III, but I wouldn't be "offended" by it. It's just a statue about something that happened in history.

It's like the painting: Mona Lisa, believed to be Lisa del Gioconda 1479-1542. You can be pretty sure that she had slaves/servants. Are we gonna burn that too? Where does it stop?

Should we destroy anything that happens to offend anyone... Pretty soon there won't be anything left, and we'll all be back living oin tribes and spending our days killing each other over dumb shyt things, because there will be nothing left to remind us of previous mistakes.
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Jun 15 2020 06:25pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 15 2020 06:34pm)
A statue in a public place is there for people to revere, it is to show they led an exemplary life.

Having them on the street is validating that they are to be revered, whereas if you had them in a museum you can make the distinction that it's not in public viewing anymore because they weren't worthy of our respect.



Are you dumb? Noone is going out every sunday to worship Stonewall Jackson (my nickname is high school) any more. Its a monument to our history so that we can learn from it
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