As I said, you have no point to make. You're here to argue, nothing more. If you're interested in the science behind a single virion's ability to infect, go look it up. You are the person who claims to be a scientist.

You denied being anti-mask then admitted, "Well maybe back in February last year when there weren't even any cases" ignoring that there were known cases in the US January of last year that were being reported on. You claimed Trump didn't respond yet he closed down travel from China, where the virus originated and you claimed it was a "distraction from impeachment". Now, you're insisting masks are far more effective than they are or have ever been claimed to be. Then you're indicating that covid isn't airborne when it is because airbone transmission is not the "primary" source of infection.

When will this shit end? Seriously. 110 million infections. Average age of death? 82. Average lifespan? 78. It's a disaster for old people. Mask mandates, lockdowns, etc. are all bullshit. Incentivize the elderly and immunocompromised to self-quarantine, set up a basic supply chain (or just use amazon/walmart delivery services) to insure they receive their household needs, and get on with it. You chose Covid as your hill to die on. I didn't. I'm not interested in your conspiracy theories about this cold.

Medical masks are required during surgery to prevent staph infections, yet staph infections both doctor and patient caused still occur constantly. It's not preventative, it's a form of risk mitigation to lower the odds more to your favor. That's it.

Life is full of risk. Every day, every moment of life has a million risks. There is no such thing as "safety" or "certainty". Masks will not save you. Lockdowns will not only not save you, but will cause mass death due to broken supply chains. Informed consent and incentivizing healthy behaviors is good. Mandating non-preventative and society-damaging risk-mitigation factors that are not effective is simply another way of saying "Authoritarian Social Engineering."

If masks work, why haven't masks worked?
If lockdowns worked, why haven't lockdowns worked?

110 Million Cases.
2.4 million Deaths.

No proof of any slowdown, no proof of a single less person infected over mandates except in areas that locked down before anyone had been infected.

Covid's never going away. It's a cold. It has spread through the entire globe. You cannot stop a cold. You cannot stop a flu. It will get to you eventually. All you can attempt to do is minimize it's impact, and seek to bolster an immune system to fight it. Locking people down, preventing them from getting exercise, screeching incoherently about masks? Bad. Likelihood of death or any form of severe reaction to the virus by the working-age population? From a statistic null in young children to similar to the flu as you approach retirement. What's the easiest way to be prepared to fight off future strains of a flu or cold? Have already gotten it, so your immune system is prepared to recognize it.

Every stance you take is anti-science. "Incentivized self-quarantine for the elderly and at-risk" is both logical and (comparatively) cheap. Allowing "the masses" to catch and establish a basic level of herd immunity while developing the vaccine for the elderly is the literal way to protect future generations from lethal reactions to this particular cold. That's ACTUAL science.

I've supported voluntary mask usage and private properties requiring masks to utilize them. I've even supported government mandates on government land. I'm down for mild risk-mitigation efforts at a small level. You're pro-sweeping mandates that lock down business, destroy supply chains, and put real people at real risk. It's been 10 months since we locked down. When does it end? When every last person has had to sell their business and sell their private property to massive global corporations just to make ends meet? When every person outside the top 1% is on UBI because otherwise there'd be mass starvation? Where? You're the pro-social engineering nerd. Tell us, when does the Authoritarianism end? When we have towers of skulls? Are you promoting the US to become the new Cambodia off a fucking cold?

Edit: Post following this reported for anti-science spam. As I said, you're not here to debate politics, religion, policy, or science. You're here to spam and troll. Hence why you've never been a credible source about covid.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 17 2021 02:23pm

Ahh the classic refrain of the conspiracy dumbass.

"I'm not going to cite my source. Do your own research"

You've now devolved to the same rhetorical strategies that the flat earthers in general chat use.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 17 2021 02:22pm

So, even using your own questionable numbers, 22% chance of infection. Wearing a mask reduces that by 60% to 13.2%. Seems like a good idea to wear a mask...


Even assuming your citation is correct that a single viron can infect an immunocompromised person, think real hard about why that specifies immunocompromised. Cmon, I know thinking is hard for you, but I bet you can do. Reason it out, go on...

His assumption is that 1 virion can infect you, and since you breathe out millions when you are infected catching 60% is pointless since you will still spread 40%. If you are touching a thousand particles in the air it doesn't matter that gets cut to 400 particles because it's still greater than one.

He's ignoring of course that masks reduce the distance it travels from you, you aren't likely to get infected from a single virus, and the 3 hour survivability he's referencing is in idealized laboratory conditions and is far far less in the real world.

Basically he's making a bunch of assumptions and refusing to consider he might be making incorrect assumptions. This is pretty much how he approaches every topic. "These things are facts and I cannot be wrong about them and the science says I'm right", and then when you point out that the science doesn't support his position he insists his assumptions are still right but drops any attempt to cite his evidence.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 17 2021 02:32pm

That's chance of infection of an average person from a single Virion.

What you're going to breath in when you're shopping in the walmart/Kroger/Safeway/Target packed with a thousand of people that have nowhere else to go because all the small business has been shut down, is far more than a single viral particle, with one mask, two masks, or 12 masks.

This is the point. Viruses don't reproduce magically. They reproduce in your body. It's proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that a single virion can reproduce in your body. Pretending that you need a viral load the size of a snot rocket is simple anti-science propaganda.

Chance is not guarantee. We've evolved a lot of defenses against viruses so that we aren't likely to get infected from a single rogue virus. More virus particles = more chance of infection. A single virus is very unlikely to infect anything, but a hoard of ten billion viral particles might have a good shot.

the rogue viron talking point is like someone claiming someone with a sperm count of 1 could impregnate a woman. like sure, it can happen, but the deathstar only fell due to the force being a thing in a made up universe.

more results from your subjective reasoning. you seen the data you claim couldnt be there.
Cognitive dissonance
In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, and is typically experienced as psychological stress when they participate in an action that goes against one or more of them.

candid coverage: cant cover up corona:

https://ibb.co/RQcS3Fm




"there's a "golden lining"(oro/au) up in every single cloud"(yeast-spore):

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/drug-resistant-superbug-candida-auris-thriving-hospitals-coronavirus-era
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/drug-resistant-superbug-candida-auris-thriving-hospitals-coronavirus-era

come all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant, the holy spirit's truth reigns supreme.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Feb 17 2021 03:15pm

the two of you are more of a Q idiot than any one else you have mentioned