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Jan 28 2021 04:08pm
Unity?
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Quote (UmadLoL @ 28 Jan 2021 23:08)
Unity?


no unity without accountability. unity does not mean 'forget all the batshit crazy stuff we have done and reach out to us', lol.
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Jan 28 2021 04:25pm
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Which ones? And were they taking place on the same constitutional basis as a presidential impeachment?


See...




Read more carefully. I didnt talk about political consequences from his base, I talked about political consequences from GOP voters. These two groups have large, but non-total overlap. Republicans who are not "cultists" are free to electorally punish those Republican who stood against impeachment over the coming years. Without this segment of the electorate, the GOP cant win crucial races, not for Congress and not for the presidency. It is up to these voters to decide whether they really want to put punishment for Trump or Trump-enablers over conservative policy priorities.

And just for the record: I am convinced that Trump himself is discredited, even among the GOP primary electorate. I consider it unlikely that he would even run again in the first place, but even if he did, he will definitely not be the GOP candidate in 2024.


Republican voters in very large numbers voted for a kiddie diddler in alabama. Im not convinced the moral or ethical failings of any republican politician would bother these people. I am very curious what the hell is wrong with them as a people.

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Jan 28 2021 04:28pm
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Republican voters in very large numbers voted for a kiddie diddler in alabama. Im not convinced the moral or ethical failings of any republican politician would bother these people. I am very curious what the hell is wrong with them as a people.


Same voters who overwhelmingly think u have to swear in to congress on a bible. aka fucking idiots.
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Jan 28 2021 04:31pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 28 Jan 2021 23:25)
Republican voters in very large numbers voted for a kiddie diddler in alabama. Im not convinced the moral or ethical failings of any republican politician would bother these people. I am very curious what the hell is wrong with them as a people.


A large enough segment of voters was so turned off by Roy Moore that the guy managed to lose a statewide race in Alabama. His example shows that even super conservative Republican voters do draw a line - it's just not as tight as liberals want it to be.
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Jan 28 2021 04:42pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 28 2021 05:31pm)
A large enough segment of voters was so turned off by Roy Moore that the guy managed to lose a statewide race in Alabama. His example shows that even super conservative Republican voters do draw a line - it's just not as tight as liberals want it to be.


That line was almost 50/50 which shows an incredible failing of basic human decency within a large demographic of people in the west.
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Jan 28 2021 04:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ 28 Jan 2021 22:50)
I want to point out what you're doing here.

You propose holding Trump accountable in court... and then later acknowledge that he didn't break any laws.

It's called "polemics".

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You go on to propose holding Trump accountable at the ballot box... and then offer up the likely scenario that Republican voters won't turn on him because his behavior.

So? I dont see the contradiction or logical flaw in my reasoning. Yes, I think that ultimately, it should - and will!!! - be the voters who hold Trump accountable. Like I said previously: even if he runs again, he wont win the Republican nomination in 2024.


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A more honest person would just say "I don't want Trump to be held accountable in any way for what he did".

Wrong. I dont care if Trump is impeached or not, I'm done with him. What I do care about, however, is that he is held accountable by the right institution and that holding him accountable is not abused by Democrats for political gain. Democrats are staging a show trial against a president who has already left office, who is already discredited and who has not even the slightest chance of ever winning the general election of a presidential race ever again. It's a waste of time and resources, only divides the country even further, and it only serves their own agenda. If you ask me, the country has spent enough time talking and thinking about Trump. The Trump presidency ended with a whimper, but Democrats seemingly want to keep obsessing over him even after they achieved their goal of ousting him.

It's really not hard to see through their strategy, I mean, come on. They want to force the GOP senators to take a toxic vote which divides their caucus and their party. Additionally, they're trying to use the swing in public opinion on Trump to force the GOP lawmakers into succumbing to their semi-totalitarian "join our quest for vengeance or there can be no unity"-logic. Liberals and NeverTrumpers cannot settle for "we fundamentally disagree on Trump, and our side ultimately won the battle over public opinion via Biden's victory" - no, they are still so triggered that they cant let it rest without getting the public "you were right on Trump and we were wrong" from the GOP that they've been craving for 5 years.

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Jan 28 2021 04:55pm
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That line was almost 50/50 which shows an incredible failing of basic human decency within a large demographic of people in the west.


Getting to 50/50 in an extremely inelastic R+20 state is no small feat...
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Jan 28 2021 05:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 28 2021 02:52pm)

Wrong. I dont care if Trump is impeached or not, I'm done with him. What I do care about, however, is that he is held accountable by the right institution and that holding him accountable is not abused by Democrats for political gain. Democrats are staging a show trial against a president who has already left office, who is already discredited and who has not even the slightest chance of ever winning the general election of a presidential race ever again. It's a waste of time and resources, only divides the country even further, and it only serves their own agenda. If you ask me, the country has spent enough time talking and thinking about Trump. The Trump presidency ended with a whimper, but Democrats seemingly want to keep obsessing over him even after they achieved their goal of ousting him.

It's really not hard to see through their strategy, I mean, come on. They want to force the GOP senators to take a toxic vote which divides their caucus and their party. Additionally, they're trying to use the swing in public opinion on Trump to force the GOP lawmakers into succumbing to their semi-totalitarian "join our quest for vengeance or there can be no unity"-logic. Liberals and NeverTrumpers cannot settle for "we all fundamentally disagree on Trump, and our side ultimately won the battle over public opinion via with Biden's victory" - no, they are still so triggered that they cant let it rest without getting the public "you were right on Trump and we were wrong" that they've been craving for 5 years.


This is the ONLY way to hold Trump accountable politically. Trump did nothing illegal since we have free speech but he certainly did something impeachable. Trump could have started a nuclear war with Germany and that would have been perfectly legal since he's the President.

Anyway, I think we can all agree that Republicans will turn a blind eye if Biden attempts to do the same thing.
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Jan 28 2021 05:08pm
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Anyway, I think we can all agree that Republicans will turn a blind eye if Biden attempts to do the same thing.

If Biden attempted to do the same thing, the MSM would cover it as a bold, brave and righteous resistance against the racism and bigotry that propelled his challenger to victory over uncle Joe, flavored with a bit of "fiery but mostly peaceful", and of course the use of the word "activist" instead of "rioter" or "insurrectionist".

But seriously: no, I do not think that the GOP would be calling for an impeachment vote against Biden after he has already left office.
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