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Mar 5 2017 01:01pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 5 2017 11:59am)
with the epa pulling back on fuel efficiency standards it leaves a certain demographic of voters in an odd situation

do you celebrate having fewer regulations and paying for more gas as a result?
or are you upset that you'll end up paying for more gas as a result of a big govt agency pulling back?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-to-pull-back-on-fuel-efficiency-standards-for-cars-trucks-in-future-model-years/2017/03/03/c4406b0c-0054-11e7-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.d7197dd344c1


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Mar 5 2017 01:19pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 5 2017 11:59am)
with the epa pulling back on fuel efficiency standards it leaves a certain demographic of voters in an odd situation

do you celebrate having fewer regulations and paying for more gas as a result?
or are you upset that you'll end up paying for more gas as a result of a big govt agency pulling back?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-to-pull-back-on-fuel-efficiency-standards-for-cars-trucks-in-future-model-years/2017/03/03/c4406b0c-0054-11e7-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.d7197dd344c1


Your questions make no sense. No one is forcing you to buy the less efficient vehicles nor does the rolling back of the regulation mean that car producers will discontinue the manufacture or low emission/low gas vehicles. Neither does this mean that the niche market for efficient cars is suddenly going to go up in vapor just because the EPA took out some minimum standard. If anything, EPA rollbacks are going to make extraction of those natural resources cheaper and increase the supply of cheap oil/gas.

You're essentially blaming the EPA rollback for someone buying a high mpg car... :huh: It's the consumers responsibility to choose what kind of car they prefer. If someone is stupid enough to buy a gas guzzler expecting 40 mpg that's their own fault.


This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 5 2017 01:22pm
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Your questions make no sense. No one is forcing you to buy the less efficient vehicles nor does the rolling back of the regulation mean that car producers will discontinue the manufacture or low emission/low gas vehicles. Neither does this mean that the niche market for efficient cars is suddenly going to go up in vapor just because the EPA took out some minimum standard. If anything, EPA rollbacks are going to make extraction of those natural resources cheaper and increase the supply of cheap oil/gas.

You're essentially blaming the EPA rollback for someone buying a high mpg car... :huh: It's the consumers responsibility to choose what kind of car they prefer. If someone is stupid enough to buy a gas guzzler expecting 40 mpg that's their own fault.


Requiring more fuel efficient vehicles pushes them from being a luxury item which costs more due to lower rates of manufacturing, to being a necessity that costs less because they are the standard.
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Mar 5 2017 01:57pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 5 2017 02:19pm)
Your questions make no sense. No one is forcing you to buy the less efficient vehicles nor does the rolling back of the regulation mean that car producers will discontinue the manufacture or low emission/low gas vehicles. Neither does this mean that the niche market for efficient cars is suddenly going to go up in vapor just because the EPA took out some minimum standard. If anything,EPA rollbacks are going to make extraction of those natural resources cheaper and increase the supply of cheap oil/gas.

You're essentially blaming the EPA rollback for someone buying a high mpg car... :huh: It's the consumers responsibility to choose what kind of car they prefer. If someone is stupid enough to buy a gas guzzler expecting 40 mpg that's their own fault.


government enforcing greater fuel efficiency standards helps make more efficient cars available to the masses
considering that both car manufacturers and the oil industry in particular are the largest opponents of such regulations it's safe to say we're all more likely to be driving gas guzzlers if there weren't such regulations in place to push automakers to make more fuel efficient vehicles
the epa rollback means less cars with greater fuel efficiency will be available to consumers down the road

i can't quite make sense of the bolded

there's quite a bit of history behind this
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/fuel-efficiency/fuel-economy-basics.html#.WLxrYzvyuHs
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Congress first established Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards in 1975, largely in response to the 1973 oil embargo. CAFE standards set the average new vehicle fuel economy, as weighted by sales, that a manufacturer's fleet must achieve.

Through the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975, Congress established fuel economy standards for new passenger cars starting with model year (MY) 1978. These standards were intended to roughly double the average fuel economy of the new car fleet to 27.5 mpg by model year (MY) 1985.

Additionally, the Department of Transportation set the first round of CAFE standards for light trucks (i.e., pickups, minivans, and SUVs) beginning with MY 1978. CAFE standards for light trucks were increased to 22.2 mpg for MY 2007 and scheduled to increase further. No similar increases were made for passenger cars until until 2007, when historic energy legislation was passed by Congress and signed by the President. This new energy legislation, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, raised the fuel economy standards of America's cars, light trucks, and SUVs to a combined average of at least 35 miles per gallon by 2020—a 10 mpg increase over 2007 levels—and required standards to be met at maximum feasible levels through 2030.

Federal law directing increases in fuel economy became necessary because oil consumption had been steadily escalating, in large part due to the relative stagnation in CAFE standards, the doubling of annual vehicle miles traveled in the previous 25 years, and a sizable increase in the market share of less efficient SUVs and light trucks.


This post was edited by duffman316 on Mar 5 2017 02:00pm
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Mar 5 2017 02:14pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 5 2017 12:30pm)
Requiring more fuel efficient vehicles pushes them from being a luxury item which costs more due to lower rates of manufacturing, to being a necessity that costs less because they are the standard.



Car manufacturers have various models that appeal to different economic demographics. A lot of people can't afford a 50k truck or 35k SUV so these manufacturers produce 20k sudans. They arent dumb to basically cut out the portion of market that wants cheap,efficient sudans just because an EPA minimum requirement has been removed.

Duffman the market has a high demand for efficient and cheap vehicles. Removing regulations isn't going to make those consumers all of the sudden disinterested in hybrids or ultra low emission vehicles.

I drive a Honda Civic. Just because the EPA removed or lowered this minimum doesn't somehow mean that in the future I'm going to drive a car that gets 20mpg when I'm used to getting 35mpg

Also what's confusing about the bolded? Regulations are some of the biggest cost inducing problems for just about every business. Removing regulations that cost the oil industry billions might translate into cheaper oil prices onto the consumers, at least in theory.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 5 2017 02:24pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 5 Mar 2017 21:14)
Car manufacturers have various models that appeal to different economic demographics. A lot of people can't afford a 50k truck or 35k SUV so these manufacturers produce 20k sudans. They arent dumb to basically cut out the portion of market that wants cheap,efficient sudans just because an EPA minimum requirement has been removed.

Duffman the market has a high demand for efficient and cheap vehicles. Removing regulations isn't going to make those consumers all of the sudden disinterested in hybrids or ultra low emission vehicles.

I drive a Honda Civic. Just because the EPA removed or lowered this minimum doesn't somehow mean that in the future I'm going to drive a car that gets 20mpg when I'm used to getting 35mpg

Also what's confusing about the bolded? Regulations are some of the biggest cost inducing problems for just about every business. Removing regulations that cost the oil industry billions might translate into cheaper oil prices onto the consumers, at least in theory.


True

Because of regulations we have a shitload of electric cars. Yet the success and the interest was costing too much money. So our regulations needed to be adjusted because of that.
It's really bad now, because ppl see Teslas everywhere, they are more likely to want to drive electric cars.

/e: a better example is Beijing (China). 2.500.000 electric bikes, ppl are dying there because they can't hear them!
The largest problem imo, is that they are even cheaper to operate, and electric vehicles suck for maintaining jobs, almost no service needed.

the planet is going to shit due to regulations.


makes me think.. "Making products in America", you guys better make Teslas popular as well. Then again.. It doesn't really matter if you produce your energy with coal. Might even be worse.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Mar 5 2017 06:31pm
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Mar 11 2017 12:24pm
while playing video games on the internet and correcting the misuse of pronouns i had my first encounter with misogyny in the online gaming community :o


this brings up the question, is there a problem with discrimination against women in the online gaming community? given that almost half of all gamers are female i'd like to think not but let's get some thoughts from our resident pardians
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Mar 11 2017 12:27pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 11 2017 01:24pm)
while playing video games on the internet and correcting the misuse of pronouns i had my first encounter with misogyny in the online gaming community :o
http://i.imgur.com/qtOxsVq.jpg

this brings up the question, is there a problem with discrimination against women in the online gaming community? given that almost half of all gamers are female i'd like to think not but let's get some thoughts from our resident pardians


I thought that the gamergate proved this beyond all reasonable doubt, especially the backlash against the gals who brought it all up.

But to be fair, online gaming communities are very fucking toxic as is. I think any defining trait put forth would be attacked by someone.

I play a game in a pretty nontoxic community, but I think it is the exception. Any game full of kiddies is going to be a bunch of belligerent assholes IMO and nobody should take it personally.

Sticks and stones and all that. I know I have to watch my 9 year old daughter when she is playing games because creepy dudes will try to cyber with her in ROBLOX or some shit. There is some weird stuff going on in online kids games.
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Mar 11 2017 12:30pm
Quote (Skinned @ Mar 11 2017 06:27pm)
I thought that the gamergate proved this beyond all reasonable doubt, especially the backlash against the gals who brought it all up.

But to be fair, online gaming communities are very fucking toxic as is. I think any defining trait put forth would be attacked by someone.

I play a game in a pretty nontoxic community, but I think it is the exception. Any game full of kiddies is going to be a bunch of belligerent assholes IMO and nobody should take it personally.

Sticks and stones and all that. I know I have to watch my 9 year old daughter when she is playing games because creepy dudes will try to cyber with her in ROBLOX or some shit. There is some weird stuff going on in online kids games.


Youtube is also so goddamn toxic for little kids. The people who make those toy videos should be ground up into fertilizer.
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Mar 11 2017 12:39pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 11 2017 01:30pm)
Youtube is also so goddamn toxic for little kids. The people who make those toy videos should be ground up into fertilizer.


Youtube makes idiots out of grown ups too. Not sure what is with that platform.

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