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name a single one ......


Peter was one of the 12. So was John. James and Jude were Jesus's half brothers. Paul was taught by the ascended Jesus. The other writers were followers as well and eyewitnesses. It wasn't just 12 people following Jesus around.
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Peter was one of the 12.  So was John.  James and Jude were Jesus's half brothers.  Paul was taught by the ascended Jesus.  The other writers were followers as well and eyewitnesses.  It wasn't just 12 people following Jesus around.


Peter didn't write the Gospel of Mark for one.

John the apostle did not write the Gospel of John.

The Gospel of James is ALSO pseudepigraphical.

Need I go on?
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Peter didn't write the Gospel of Mark for one.

John the apostle did not write the Gospel of John.

The Gospel of James is ALSO pseudepigraphical.

Need I go on?


Who said that Peter wrote the Gospel of Mark? Yes, John the Apostle wrote John. Some LIBERAL scholars may take issue with it. Most scholars believe that it was written by John, including the early Church who Cannonized the scripture. Didn't you know that that was one of the criteria for books being included in the Canon? They HAD to have been written by an eyewitness. James is the REAL half brother of Jesus, like it or not. Yes go on because you have nothing to go on.

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Who said that Peter wrote the Gospel of Mark?  Yes, John the Apostle wrote John.  Some LIBERAL scholars may take issue with it. Most scholars believe that it was written by John, including the early Church who Cannonized the scripture.  Didn't you know that that was one of the criteria for books being included in the Canon?  They HAD to have been written by an eyewitness.  James is the REAL half brother of Jesus, like it or not.  Yes go on because you have nothing to go on.


lol , what ?
john didnt write the book , called later the gospel according to john
nowhere does it mention its author , and there isnt any evidence to say it was john

likewise , matthew mark and luke were not written by matthew mark or luke ....

we dont know that the james who wrote the epistle of james , was jesus's brother

the 1st and 2nd epistles of peter , were not written by peter

we dont know that the epistle of john was written by john

and as for the fraud of tarsus , paul never even met jesus .......
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Who said that Peter wrote the Gospel of Mark?  Yes, John the Apostle wrote John.  Some LIBERAL scholars may take issue with it. Most scholars believe that it was written by John, including the early Church who Cannonized the scripture.  Didn't you know that that was one of the criteria for books being included in the Canon?  They HAD to have been written by an eyewitness.  James is the REAL half brother of Jesus, like it or not.  Yes go on because you have nothing to go on.


No, your unless your definition of "liberal" is "the vast majority of respected scholars."


Although some notable New Testament scholars affirm traditional Johannine scholarship, the majority do not believe that John or one of the Apostles wrote it, and trace it instead to a "Johannine community" which traced its traditions to John; the gospel itself shows signs of having been composed in three "layers", reaching its final form about 90-100 AD.

Anderson 2007, p. 19."These facts pose a major problem for the traditional view of John's authorship, and they are one of the key reasons critical scholars reject it."

Lindars, 1990, p. 20."It is thus important to see the reasons why the traditional identification is regarded by most scholars as untenable."

The New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible: Volume 3 Abingdon Press, 2008. p. 362 "Presently, few commentators would argue that a disciple of Jesus actually wrote the Fourth Gospel,..."

Marilyn Mellowes The Gospel of John From Jesus to Christ: A Portrait of Jesus' World. PBS 2010-11-3. "Tradition has credited John, the son of Zebedee and an apostle of Jesus, with the authorship of the fourth gospel. Most scholars dispute this notion;..."

D. A. Carson, Douglas J. Moo. An introduction to the New Testament. Zondervan; 2 New edition. 2005. Pg 233 “The fact remains that despite support for Johannine authorship by a few front rank scholars in this century and by many popular writers, a large majority of contemporary scholars reject this view.”

"To most modern scholars direct apostolic authorship has therefore seemed unlikely." "John, Gospel of." Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
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Got a fake 1 million dollar bill handed to me when I was vacationing that stated pretty much all of this. How much do I have to pay to get in to your so called afterlife cult. Scammer.

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lol , what ?
john didnt write the book , called later the gospel according to john
nowhere does it mention its author , and there isnt any evidence to say it was john

likewise , matthew mark and luke were not written by matthew mark or luke ....

we dont know that the james who wrote the epistle of james , was jesus's brother

the 1st and 2nd epistles of peter , were not written by peter

we dont know that the epistle of john was written by john

and as for the fraud of tarsus , paul never even met jesus .......


Yes Paul DID meet Jesus on the road to demascus. Have you even READ the Bible? He was personally taught by the ascended Lord for 3 years.

Schofield is a very respected Scholar and knows MUCH more about it than you do:
Here is what He says on them and much more. Get away from those twisted liberal scholars. They are misguiding you.

Look it up here:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/scofield-reference-notes/mark/mark-introduction.html

From the Highly respected C.I. Schofiled who published the Schofield Study Bible:


WRITER: The writer of the first Gospel, as all agree, was Matthew, called also Levi, a Jew of Galilee who had taken service as a tax-gatherer under the Roman oppressor. He was, therefore, one of the hated and ill-reputed publicans.

DATE: The date of Matthew has been much discussed, but no convincing reason has been given for the discrediting the traditional date of A.D. 37.

WRITER: The writer of the second Gospel, Mark, called also John, was the son of one the New Testament "Marys", and nephew of Barnabas. He was an associate of the apostles, and is mentioned in the writings of Paul and of Luke Acts 12:12Acts 12:25 ; Acts 15:37Acts 15:39 ; Colossians 4:10 ; 2 Timothy 4:11 ; Philemon 1:24 .

DATE: The date of Mark has been variously placed between A.D. 57 and 63.


WRITER: The writer of the third Gospel is called by Paul "the beloved physician" Colossians 4:14 and, as we learn from the Acts, was Paul's frequent companion. He was of Jewish ancestry, but his correct Greek marks him as a Jew of the dispersion. Tradition says that he was a Jew of Antioch, as Paul was of Tarsus.

DATE: The date of Luke falls between A.D. 63 and 68.

WRITER: The fourth Gospel was written by the Apostle John John 21:24 . This has been questioned on critical grounds, but on the same grounds and with equal scholarship, the early date and Johanean authorship have been maintained.

DATE: The date of John's Gospel falls between A.D. 85 and 90. Probably the latter.

WRITER: In the Acts of the Apostles Luke continues the account of Christianity begun in the Gospel which bears his name. In the "former treatise" he tells what Jesus "began both to do and teach"; in the Acts, what Jesus continued to do and teach through His Holy Spirit sent down.

DATE: The Acts concludes with the account of Paul's earliest ministry in Rome, A.D. 65, and appears to have been written at or near that time.

WRITER: The Apostle Paul ( Romans 1:1 ).

DATE: Romans, the sixth in chronological order of Paul's Epistles, was written from Corinth during the apostle's third visit to that city. 2 Corinthians 13:1 in A.D. 60. The Epistle has its occasion in the intention of the apostle soon to visit Rome. Naturally, he would wish to announce before his coming the distinctive truths which had been revealed to and through him. He would desire the Christians in Rome to have his own statement of the great doctrines of grace so bitterly assailed everywhere by legalistic teachers.

WRITER: The Apostle Paul. His relation to the church at Corinth is set forth in Acts 18:1-18 and in the Epistles to the Corinthians.

DATE: First Corinthians was written in A.D. 59, at the close of Paul's three year's residence in Ephesus. Acts 20:31 ; 1 Corinthians 16:5-8 .

WRITER: The Apostle Paul

DATE: A.D. 60; probably from Philippi, after the events of Acts 19:23-20:1-3 .

WRITER: The Apostle Peter ( 1 Peter 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 60. That "Babylon" refers to the former city on the Euphrates, or to Rome, cannot be inferred from 1 Peter 5:13 . The text is obscure.

WRITER: The Apostle Peter ( 2 Peter 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 66

WRITER: The Apostle Paul

DATE: The date of this Epistle turns upon the question of the two imprisonments of Paul. If there were two (see: (See Scofield "Acts 28:30") then it is clear that First Timothy was written during the interval. If Paul endured but one Roman imprisonment, the Epistle was written shortly before Paul's last journey to Jerusalem.

WRITER: Jude, the brother of James ( Jude 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 66

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Yes Paul DID meet Jesus on the road to demascus.  Have you even READ the Bible?  He was personally taught by the ascended Lord for 3 years. 

Schofield is a very respected Scholar and knows MUCH more about it than you do:
Here is what He says on them and much more.  Get away from those twisted liberal scholars.  They are misguiding you. 

Look it up here:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/scofield-reference-notes/mark/mark-introduction.html

From the Highly respected C.I. Schofiled who published the Schofield Study Bible:


WRITER: The writer of the first Gospel, as all agree, was Matthew, called also Levi, a Jew of Galilee who had taken service as a tax-gatherer under the Roman oppressor. He was, therefore, one of the hated and ill-reputed publicans.

DATE: The date of Matthew has been much discussed, but no convincing reason has been given for the discrediting the traditional date of A.D. 37.

WRITER: The writer of the second Gospel, Mark, called also John, was the son of one the New Testament "Marys", and nephew of Barnabas. He was an associate of the apostles, and is mentioned in the writings of Paul and of Luke Acts 12:12Acts 12:25 ; Acts 15:37Acts 15:39 ; Colossians 4:10 ; 2 Timothy 4:11 ; Philemon 1:24 .

DATE: The date of Mark has been variously placed between A.D. 57 and 63.


WRITER: The writer of the third Gospel is called by Paul "the beloved physician" Colossians 4:14 and, as we learn from the Acts, was Paul's frequent companion. He was of Jewish ancestry, but his correct Greek marks him as a Jew of the dispersion. Tradition says that he was a Jew of Antioch, as Paul was of Tarsus.

DATE: The date of Luke falls between A.D. 63 and 68.

WRITER: The fourth Gospel was written by the Apostle John John 21:24 . This has been questioned on critical grounds, but on the same grounds and with equal scholarship, the early date and Johanean authorship have been maintained.

DATE: The date of John's Gospel falls between A.D. 85 and 90. Probably the latter.

WRITER: In the Acts of the Apostles Luke continues the account of Christianity begun in the Gospel which bears his name. In the "former treatise" he tells what Jesus "began both to do and teach"; in the Acts, what Jesus continued to do and teach through His Holy Spirit sent down.

DATE: The Acts concludes with the account of Paul's earliest ministry in Rome, A.D. 65, and appears to have been written at or near that time.

WRITER: The Apostle Paul ( Romans 1:1 ).

DATE: Romans, the sixth in chronological order of Paul's Epistles, was written from Corinth during the apostle's third visit to that city. 2 Corinthians 13:1 in A.D. 60. The Epistle has its occasion in the intention of the apostle soon to visit Rome. Naturally, he would wish to announce before his coming the distinctive truths which had been revealed to and through him. He would desire the Christians in Rome to have his own statement of the great doctrines of grace so bitterly assailed everywhere by legalistic teachers.

WRITER: The Apostle Paul. His relation to the church at Corinth is set forth in Acts 18:1-18 and in the Epistles to the Corinthians.

DATE: First Corinthians was written in A.D. 59, at the close of Paul's three year's residence in Ephesus. Acts 20:31 ; 1 Corinthians 16:5-8 .

WRITER: The Apostle Paul

DATE: A.D. 60; probably from Philippi, after the events of Acts 19:23-20:1-3 .

WRITER: The Apostle Peter ( 1 Peter 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 60. That "Babylon" refers to the former city on the Euphrates, or to Rome, cannot be inferred from 1 Peter 5:13 . The text is obscure.

WRITER: The Apostle Peter ( 2 Peter 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 66

WRITER: The Apostle Paul

DATE: The date of this Epistle turns upon the question of the two imprisonments of Paul. If there were two (see: (See Scofield "Acts 28:30") then it is clear that First Timothy was written during the interval. If Paul endured but one Roman imprisonment, the Epistle was written shortly before Paul's last journey to Jerusalem.

WRITER: Jude, the brother of James ( Jude 1:1 )

DATE: Probably A.D. 66


Yes, quote one quack scholar and then expect us to believe you. The MAJORITY of scholars believe these to be pseudepigrapha.
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I don't believe in god, but I believe that if he was real, then he'd be smart enough and kind enough to give me a second chance to believe in him and get accepted into heaven whenever I die. If he won't give me a second chance to believe in him once I'm dead, then he's worthless and no good to me anyway and I don't want him.

People are wasting their time believing in god. If he's real, I doubt he'd send people to hell just because they didn't believe in him. I doubt he's a power hungry, jealous, vengeful person like that. God should be nice and smart, not full of petty human emotions.


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