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Nov 11 2025 02:02pm
Maybe dont go into other countries toppling their governments. there is a long list of this and Ukraine was not the last. If you tell a country "you are my enemy" and you then steal their assets, and you then tell another country "you are my enemy" you should expect the next country to take back their assets before they are stolen. this is not rocket science, yet here we are.


that's one hell of a way to spin shooting your own civilians then running away to russia when things get too hot as the domestic population rises against you

if autocratic shitholes waging imperialist wars suddenly are afraid of doing business with the eu, i don't think it'll be a great loss. though you should question your values if you find yourself with allies like russia, iran and north korea

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Nov 11 2025 02:21pm
He won't understand the concept, he is a commie. "Their and your assets are our assets." That's the mentality :D


so i see. the whole US backed coup in Ukraine followed by 7 years of cluster bombing your own people is OK because we are the good guys. right. and if anyone intervenes they are the bad guys. "simple" logic i guess.

another way of framing it is - good, let everyone take their assets out of hostile countries and lets see where that takes us. if your so keen to steal other peoples money lets see how you do when they stop trading with you.

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Nov 11 2025 02:54pm
that's one hell of a way to spin shooting your own civilians then running away to russia when things get too hot as the domestic population rises against you

if autocratic shitholes waging imperialist wars suddenly are afraid of doing business with the eu, i don't think it'll be a great loss. though you should question your values if you find yourself with allies like russia, iran and north korea


Duff, this is a terrible spin also. the former president told the army to avoid casualties at all costs. the whole revolution was only able to happen because he showed restraint. the guy had an army, most of the revolutionaries had malatov cocktails and not even any guns. he could have put the whole thing down in a day, but didnt because he didnt want to shoot his countrymen. he also had broad support from the domestic population, it was in the capital that he faced a massive amount of pressure.

this whole situation was a mess start to finish, but Yanukovych deserves a lot of credit for avoiding bloodshed. the fact that he may have been a deeply imbeded russian asset doesnt change that, and all signs point to him trying (and failing) to play a middle ground between the west and russia, not just favor russia.
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Nov 11 2025 03:25pm
Duff, this is a terrible spin also. the former president told the army to avoid casualties at all costs. the whole revolution was only able to happen because he showed restraint. the guy had an army, most of the revolutionaries had malatov cocktails and not even any guns. he could have put the whole thing down in a day, but didnt because he didnt want to shoot his countrymen. he also had broad support from the domestic population, it was in the capital that he faced a massive amount of pressure.

this whole situation was a mess start to finish, but Yanukovych deserves a lot of credit for avoiding bloodshed. the fact that he may have been a deeply imbeded russian asset doesnt change that, and all signs point to him trying (and failing) to play a middle ground between the west and russia, not just favor russia.


i'm glad to hear he didn't go full iranian mullah on the populace but the sources i've read (these are 10 year old articles at this point) suggests the he gave the order to fire on protestors and then his administration was destroying all documents that could be used to prosecute his admin for any crimes before there was a change of power. naturally his own account from what i've read was that the snipers chose to fire on their own and he was very much against use of force.

the truth might be somewhere in the middle but his prompt flight to russia when shit hit the fan suggests this guy isn't exactly a patriot like say alexei navalny
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Nov 12 2025 01:32am
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Blogging Ukrainian serviceman Stanislav Buniatov predicts a collapse of the front in Zaporizhzhia region analogous to the collapse which followed the capture of Avdiivka and the Ocheretyne breakthrough that led to the battle of Pokrovsk.

Since the fall of Vuhledar in October 2024, the frontline moved some 70km west, to the point some 80km east of Zaporizhzhia. But the latter is threatened from the south where the frontline is just 20km away.

Unlike the densely populated and urbanised Donbas, the north of Zaporizhzhia is sparsely populated steppe with not much to defend. There are only two towns on the way of the Russian troops in Zaporizhzhia direction.

The end of Pokrovsk will release large forces and it is unclear how they will be distributed between the Zaporizhzhia/Dnipto direction and the battle for northern Donbas. In principle, the Kremlin doesn’t really care what to occupy since occupation is just a way of achieving geopolitical goals
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Nov 12 2025 05:48am
Russia has been trying to take the small town of Pokrovsk for over 14 months.



Just how pathetic the Russian army is.

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Nov 12 2025 05:52am
Russia has been trying to take the small town of Pokrovsk for over 14 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PXjA_f0WF0

Just how pathetic the Russian army is.


fantastic! so if they cant take this town, they cant invade poland, and therefore there is no need to give ukraine any more weapons because russia is a toothless old, irrelevant bear.
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because russia is a toothless old, irrelevant bear.


Unfortunately vlad hasn't realized this yet

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Nov 12 2025 06:47am
Russia has been trying to take the small town of Pokrovsk for over 14 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PXjA_f0WF0

Just how pathetic the Russian army is.


This fortified area known as the Pokrovsk agglomeration is perfectly suited to the defenders it includes large urban area's and industry / mines.

The Ukrainian army has had years to fortify the area and has thrown everything it had at the Russians helped by entire NATO and they failed miserably.

That's how pathetic NATO really is. The Ukrainian soldiers can't help it most of them are victims that got forcefully conscripted and sent to the front.

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Nov 12 2025 07:19am
i'm glad to hear he didn't go full iranian mullah on the populace but the sources i've read (these are 10 year old articles at this point) suggests the he gave the order to fire on protestors and then his administration was destroying all documents that could be used to prosecute his admin for any crimes before there was a change of power. naturally his own account from what i've read was that the snipers chose to fire on their own and he was very much against use of force.

the truth might be somewhere in the middle but his prompt flight to russia when shit hit the fan suggests this guy isn't exactly a patriot like say alexei navalny


This is the only stat you need to read:

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108 civilian protesters and 13 police officers were killed in Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity (or the 'Maidan Revolution'), which was the culmination of the Euromaidan protest movement.


that's a staggeringly low number of people for what amounted to a violent revolution. im sure israel has killed 3x that number with a single bomb in gaza at some point in the war.

as to his flight, what's his alterative? wait to get hung in the street or worse Gadhafi'd? he abdicated the govt to the mob, all that follows that for him if he stays is death.
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