This emotional rhetoric can easily be flipped to characterize the Palestinian condition for the last 3-4 generations. How many dead Israeli civilians over the last 80 years vs. Palestinian? Insults to the Jewish community 80 years ago do not justify human rights abuses now. And to be clear, you are much better off being born in Israel for the entire duration of our lives than in Gaza. Weird take

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This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 8 2023 10:12pm

Can go back and forth forever on this but I think both groups have reasons to feel threatened by each other and they both have become incredibly hardened, what Hamas did was despicable to any normal person but they aren't normal people. They live in hell so it shouldn't be surprising when they turn into demons. Of the two groups Israel holds the power to enact meaningful change and has for decades, despite this things have gotten better for Israel and worse for Palestinians.

True but I bet they still travel more than the average Palestinian. They probably wouldn't be attacked anywhere but the whole crushing poverty thing is a limiting factor and I don't imagine just strolling into Tel Aviv Airport is a super smooth process either.


Goes both ways, what is this latest attack if not a complete lack of restraint? Despite the risks in Israel i think most people in the world would rather live there than in Gaza/East Bank if they had to choose.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 8 2023 10:16pm

Been trying to find numbers on child death in the conflict. From the October clash it's 78 dead Palestinians and unknown number of Israeli children dead. Wiki has it 2200 Palestine children vs 140 Israeli over last two decades. Maybe they were dangerous stone throwers and deserved it? Or they shouldn't have been there when the bombs fell?

Haven't finished looking over numbers, but was trying to wrap my head around Hamas despicable strategy of targeting civilians.

Can't even fathom losing a child to a idiotic oppressor or terrorists militant threat. I'd imagine those deaths are a factor 100x more powerful in radicalizing a response. The child death rate very alarming :/ Now both sides have it bad.

We don’t want neighbours like this any longer

So you think it’s ok for you to oppressively brutalize and displace your “neighbors” but they can’t do anything about it? And if they retaliate they are somehow completely at fault? Why do you believe that?

jews nr1 ideology = other jews first


kapital pigs

From what limited information I’ve read - the only two justifications I can come up if I tried is that a lot of radicalized people have nothing to lose and have lost numerous close relatives and are ready to become martyrs. They do not view happy-go-lucky hippies as innocent, but a complicit silent majority that does nothing while their relatives get killed. As outraged as one can be about murder of innocent civilians at that hippie festival - it is probably the reality of what has happened.

Or to either distract and allow sacking of IDF Re’im base (did IDF base ever get sacked after the first Israeli-Arab wars? Have any Merkava IV been taken and can they be transferred to Iran?).

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 8 2023 11:55pm

"Why Jews Deserve It"
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get used to it. to the dishonest simpletons of this sub it doesn't matter if you repeatedly condemned terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, and acknowledged israel's right to exist and defend itself.

as soon as you're providing some context and nuance, as soon as you dare to mention israel's brutal, multi-generational oppression of the palestinian people, and how extreme radicalisation is a problem massively contributed to by their occupation and discrimination, you'll be labeled an anti-semite, a terrorism supporter, and a jihadism sympathiser, no matter how ridiculous that is...

it's a common tactic to silence any legitimate criticism, and people engaging in it don't deserve to be taken seriously.

This post was edited by fender on Oct 9 2023 12:58am

If Israel has a right to defend itself why would you have a problem with it defending itself from a genocidal horde that just pillaged its border towns, massacred families and took women and girls as sex slaves? What does Israel's right to exist and defend itself look like when its under attack today?