His ego will cause a party that could probably easily win in 2024 just implode and shit the bed.

new leftism has arrived

So in 2018, he was able to #StopTheSteal on behest of GOP candidates. Then, throughout 2020, he was warning about Dems going to steal the election from himself. So, according to his recount of the events, he was still president, saw the trap coming, had months upon months to prepare for it, but wasn't able to actually #StopTheSteal when push came to shove. How exactly is that an argument in Trump's favor? Even if we were to believe his story about the stolen election (rather than him just having lost fair and square, SAD!), this whole thing still reflects badly on him.


It's the reverse argument with DeSantis: either he genuinely put up a monster performance, winning a landslide in a formerly purple state on the same night on which Republicans in virtually every other state were underperforming and disappointing. Or there was a red wave across the country, the nefarious Democrats stole it from Kari Lake and Herschel Walker and Doug Mastriano etc., and DeSantis only won a landslide because he was somehow able to prevent the election fraud that was taking place everywhere else, including states which also had a Republican trifecta, like e.g. Georgia and Arizona.

Either way, the obvious conclusion for the GOP must be the same: "holy shit, DeSantis should be our guy".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 14 2022 05:08pm

he admittedly won his gubernatorial election convincingly - against the former republican governor, lol.

the "monster" performance concerning the house elections though is largely "monstrous" due to the ridiculous gerrymandering he did:

https://www.propublica.org/article/ron-desantis-florida-redistricting-map-scheme

https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card?planId=recGXGgCh8REltOnL

florida GQP got 58% of the vote, yet 20 out of their 28 seats.

And Dems get 14/17 seats in Illinois, 9/9 in Massachussetts, 42/52 in California and 3/4 in Nevada (in spite of losing the popular House vote for Nevada by something like 5%, lol!)

Fact of the matter is that Democrats' aggressive gerrymanders in states like Nevada, Illinois and New Mexico are responsible for diminishing the Republican net gains in the House by something like 8-10 seats. Republicans deserve it, don't get me wrong, but we're now at the point where Democrats have decided to fight fire with fire and can thus no longer claim any kind of moral high ground on gerrymandering. At some point, you should adopt your talking points to this new reality.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 14 2022 08:45pm

maybe read my post again, because your little rant doesn't address a single of my ACTUAL "talking points", which are two:

- he won the gubernatorial election against the former republican governor

and

- the "monster" performance regarding the house of representatives vote is largely due to his aggressive gerrymandering efforts

which one of those needs to be adapted to reality?

Republicans will win the popular vote for Florida's House and state legislature races by a huge margin as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Florida

You can of course argue that this 17% margin in House races still translates into a disproportionate share of Republican seats due to gerrymandering, but it's nothing to sneeze at. For comparison, they won it by 5% in 2020. Also, note that Trump underperformed his party's House candidates by 2% in 2020.

had you actually read my post, instead of strawmanning it into oblivion for some inexplicable reason, you'd have noticed that i already stated exactly that, lol:

I am ignoring your "admission" to this fact because your own post is contradicting itself. The core claim of yours is this:


This is why I keep pointing out that the Republican performance in Florida's House elections in 2022 was indeed monstrous, even if we ignore gerrymandering and only look at the underlying popular vote. So no, I am not strawmanning you, I am providing data which directly contradicts your central argument.

He addressed your points clearly though. 58% of votes for 71% of seats isn’t the most disproportionate result out there and it’s still a better performance for republicans than for previous races. It’s funny how you don’t address the other states mentioned by Black XistenZ where democrats won with even more disproportionate results.