~11 million undocumented workers, presumably mostly Mexican.

Even if these 11 million were all employed (very unlikely), would having 11 million extremely low-paid workers really effect the economy that much?

The entire middle class is a lie now, and it isn't because some Mexicans came here to clean toilets in hotels and pick fruit.

Anybody who is focused on illegal immigration as an economic problem over the Capitalists drive to systematically move all wealth into their pockets out of rational self-interest is a fool of the highest degree and has very limited scope in vision.

Yes, it hurts everyday Americans that several million people have come here and work at levels below what we consider the labor price floor, which is in line with principles of free trade. It hurts everyday Americans more that their jobs have been sent to places to avoid problematic human rights and are now done by small hands born into a gulag-factory system (just make a little bed under the machine), which is also in line with the principles of free trade.

So with these two things being the largest threats to the American economy and prosperity, which has always rested in a large productive Middle Class, why would Americans vote for their oppressors and the individuals who are against this prosperity? Because they're internalized values that justify their own degradation and exploitation through ideology and agents of socialization.

Americans are on the road to serfdom, because the monarchy is back, only instead of inbreed teabaggers its bourgeoisie leeches.



Racism is a moral failure, nothing more.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 10 2016 06:52am

Shh, don't show that graph to people who think illegal immigration is a problem that is getting worse. They don't like to see the truth.

lol



Yeah, Obama acted pretty decisively while GWB just let that shit go so the help stayed cheap.

And it doesn't matter what graph I show them, they will believe the same thing on Wednesday as they do Monday no matter what happens on Tuesday.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 11 2016 08:40am

I'd agree with everything except the bolded statement.

Same, but it's turning that way

I just came up with a joke:



How many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?


--None, I think they like being in the dark.

Cuz we're clever enough to dodge your fat republican establishment pigs upholding archaic laws with no moral ground?

Ah yes the ideology heavily filled with smarter people, part of a movement that highlights the importance of economics, history, individual research and critical thought are 'in the dark'.
its the enlightened tree hugging socialists that ignore economics and history and cling to their feel good empty slogans and are scared to defend themselves intellectually that are the true brilliant ones. feel the bern amiright?

Meanwhile you stand with the people who literally would have us in the dark.. opposed to almost all forms of viable scalable modern energy and hate business and profit.
The irony..

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 11 2016 11:50pm

Might be on the way but we certainly aren't there yet. Hard to tell.