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Mar 17 2021 08:42pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 17 2021 07:10pm)
I cant imagine why the founders designed a government with three branches.

Maybe perhaps it was to limit its power in this exact fashion.


The Founders wanted the Legislative to be the most powerful branch. However, they are so fucking inept (partly due to the filibuster) that both the Judiciary and Executive have overstepped their bounds.
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Mar 17 2021 09:13pm
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He can make the Senate a procedural hell. Things can get much, much worse. However, I don't think the GOP will be able to leverage the absence particularly well. They are an opposition party, not a visionary party.


There's plenty they can pass that would enrage liberals, but yes, the ideological constraints of the old guard sort of precludes seismic changes. I want a sovereign wealth fund, but that's probably too radical. This is why it was a good thing that Trump came by and broke the current paradigm. The Chinese had it right. Crisis is opportunity.
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Mar 17 2021 09:15pm
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There's plenty they can pass that would enrage liberals, but yes, the ideological constraints of the old guard sort of precludes seismic changes. I want a sovereign wealth fund, but that's probably too radical. This is why it was a good thing that Trump came by and broke the current paradigm. The Chinese had it right. Crisis is opportunity.


Isn't it a bit late for a sovereign wealth fund? I mean, if we had modeled like the Nordic countries and created it with oil revenue that might be one thing. I don't really see how we would actually fund and maintain it, or how it would withstand constitutional challenges? I guess it could be "general welfare"?
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Mar 17 2021 09:18pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 17 2021 10:42pm)
The Founders wanted the Legislative to be the most powerful branch. However, they are so fucking inept (partly due to the filibuster) that both the Judiciary and Executive have overstepped their bounds.


Fifty years of welfare and third world immigration lowered the average iq by about fifteen points. The population no longer is strong enough to resist centralized state tyranny.

There was also an amendment that turned Senate seats into direct elections as opposed to state legislature nominations.

It allowed the executive branch to overshadow the legislature through sheer media propaganda force.
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Mar 17 2021 09:30pm
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Isn't it a bit late for a sovereign wealth fund? I mean, if we had modeled like the Nordic countries and created it with oil revenue that might be one thing. I don't really see how we would actually fund and maintain it, or how it would withstand constitutional challenges? I guess it could be "general welfare"?


How is Social Security constitutional? Congress passes a law.

We'd fund it with taxes. This isn't about nationalizing an industry, it's about creating an investment base to supply the government with income with which to dispense to us, as collective shareholders. Social Security is invested in special treasury securities, which essentially passes the bill down the line. We should be buying a share, with public money, of the general production of the United States. Buy stocks, buy bonds, run it separate from government and maximize revenue. Automation is inevitable, but we would be using our time now to buy a slice of the future.
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Mar 17 2021 09:36pm
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How is Social Security constitutional? Congress passes a law.

We'd fund it with taxes. This isn't about nationalizing an industry, it's about creating an investment base to supply the government with income with which to dispense to us, as collective shareholders. Social Security is invested in special treasury securities, which essentially passes the bill down the line. We should be buying a share, with public money, of the general production of the United States. Buy stocks, buy bonds, run it separate from government and maximize revenue. Automation is inevitable, but we would be using our time now to buy a slice of the future.


So basically just set up a government corporation, give it taxes, buy what amounts to a giant index fund of the production of the United States?

Sounds.... kinda like the start of a cyberpunk dystopia honestly
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So basically just set up a government corporation, give it taxes, buy what amounts to a giant index fund of the production of the United States?

Sounds.... kinda like the start of a cyberpunk dystopia honestly


Is Canada a cyberpunk dystopia? Norway?

I don't see passively investing in the economy as dangerous. There's no need to pass Social Security costs down the line when we could be betting on our own economy. Putting a trillion per year in treasuries is barbaric. It's not a sane use of our money. If we could direct even a quarter of that into the market it would pay dividends.

I see this as a bipartisan win. Liberals get the group ownership they crave, and conservatives get the raw productivity of the market.
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They need to keep Biden alive until after the 2022 midterms, so that a milquetoast old white man as the Democratic standard bearer can distract gullible people from how radically liberal their agenda has become.

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