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Apr 11 2020 05:17pm
Quote (Bazi @ Apr 11 2020 05:58pm)
First american randomized study debunking hydroxychloroquine out of Henry Ford today

Dumbass French fraud community

Basically what rest of world told us, literally the opposite. Steroids good, hydroxy no benefit

Will post link when I get home, idk how to post screen shot from phone on Jsp


I only see that it began enrolling yesterday. Can't find anything on it having results yet.
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Apr 11 2020 05:39pm
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Apr 2020 00:58)
First american randomized study debunking hydroxychloroquine out of Henry Ford today

Dumbass French fraud community

Basically what rest of world told us, literally the opposite. Steroids good, hydroxy no benefit

Will post link when I get home, idk how to post screen shot from phone on Jsp


It's not even "fully allowed" in France, Macron himself met with the professor who get good results with it, 2 days ago, to get an idea of the situation.
Pr Raoult's clinic has the lowest mortality rate, and many people are agree to push on more hydroxychloroquine treatments, including former doctor minister, others professors etc...
They are accusing "bureaucratic doctors" (validating entities) for not going fast enough while people are dying.

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Apr 11 2020 06:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 11 2020 06:17pm)
I only see that it began enrolling yesterday. Can't find anything on it having results yet.


I have pic of abstract, it was submitted today to NEJM . I’ll post pic of abstract when I get home. Data is clean from what my Henry Ford family telling me but we’ll see

Edit : pic of article summary I meant , not just abstract

This post was edited by Bazi on Apr 11 2020 06:27pm
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my b submitted 4/4 not today

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It's not even "fully allowed" in France, Macron himself met with the professor who get good results with it, 2 days ago, to get an idea of the situation.
Pr Raoult's clinic has the lowest mortality rate, and many people are agree to push on more hydroxychloroquine treatments, including former doctor minister, others professors etc...
They are accusing "bureaucratic doctors" (validating entities) for not going fast enough while people are dying.


I perhaps was too harsh on French counter parts, don't take offense. apologies

but their data doesnt look reliable
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Apr 11 2020 07:54pm
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Apr 2020 03:33)
I perhaps was too harsh on French counter parts, don't take offense. apologies

but their data doesnt look reliable


Honestly, with a multitude of known demographic and clinical risk factors (age, obesity, smoking, asthma, gender?, variations in the health condition in which patients were admitted), I feel like a sample size of ~30 people in each subgroup is really stretching it in terms of having representative and comparable samples.

It is one study, and it is clearly pointing toward hydroxychloroquine having no, or even and adverse, effect on Covid-19 patients - but we shouldnt get ahead of ourselves and dismiss hydroxychloroquine outright. A single, small sample size study is an indication, not a definitive proof. Due to this study, the hopes of having found a drug against Covid-19 must take a big hit, but the study's meaningfulness shouldnt be overstated either.

tldr: interesting first data, but to reach a proper conclusion, we need more data/studies.

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Apr 11 2020 08:10pm
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Apr 2020 03:33)
I perhaps was too harsh on French counter parts, don't take offense. apologies

but their data doesnt look reliable


It's not even associated with azithromycine in your paper?
Wtf LOL
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Apr 11 2020 08:29pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 11 2020 09:10pm)
It's not even associated with azithromycine in your paper?
Wtf LOL


hyrdoxy

azithro + hydroxy

azithro + hydroxy + zinc

all being done simultaneously, as randomized control as they should be.

not cherry picked data and intentionally dropping hundreds of patients (France study)


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 11 2020 08:54pm)
Honestly, with a multitude of known demographic and clinical risk factors (age, obesity, smoking, asthma, gender?, variations in the health condition in which patients were admitted), I feel like a sample size of ~30 people in each subgroup is really stretching it in terms of having representative and comparable samples.

It is one study, and it is clearly pointing toward hydroxychloroquine having no, or even and adverse, effect on Covid-19 patients - but we shouldnt get ahead of ourselves and dismiss hydroxychloroquine outright. A single, small sample size study is an indication, not a definitive proof. Due to this study, the hopes of having found a drug against Covid-19 must take a big hit, but the study's meaningfulness shouldnt be overstated either.

tldr: interesting first data, but to reach a proper conclusion, we need more data/studies.


all these studies will be underpowered atm

you're not gonna get an ideal sample with how chaotic these hospitals are. Detroit is honestly a shit show. it's been going on in NY and WA for much longer as well. any institution could have come up with data by now but everyone is lagging due to the sheer chaos

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Apr 11 2020 08:44pm
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Apr 2020 04:29)
hyrdoxy

azithro + hydroxy

azithro + hydroxy + zinc

all being done simultaneously, as randomized control as they should be.

not cherry picked data and intentionally dropping hundreds of patients (France study)




all these studies will be underpowered atm

you're not gonna get an ideal sample with how chaotic these hospitals are. Detroit is honestly a shit show. it's been going on in NY and WA for much longer as well. any institution could have come up with data by now but everyone is lagging due to the sheer chaos



Any reasonable person would wait more results, not sure why you are so Butthurt about France, one again it's not even validated here.
Sounds like some kind of conflict of interest or something like that.

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