What do I believe by faith? Again I do not BELIEVE that thr big bang happened, I said I go with because it is currently the best explained scenario. There is a way to EXPLAIN HOW it happened from there on, okay? That is not believing in something, that is following the most likely path. That is what you should always do when ypu have to decide something. You should always go with the explanation that makes THE MOST SENSE.

If someone tells me to guess if his brother is is 5 feet tall or 6 feet tall I would go with 6 feet. Its more likely. Doesnt mean I am convinced that its the true answer, juat means I picked the more likely scenario.

Thats what science is and always was: Going with the most likely scenario and go from there.

I am by the way not saying nature is made by men, you said everything is supernatural. Not me.

this is what your were told " It happened once and it happened billions of years ago." and you believe that, you have a faith based belief.
the confusion comes because you dont know what 'faith means

" You should always go with the explanation that makes THE MOST SENSE. "
(sounds like that is what dawkins was doing, a creator)

if he was a 5 foot dude you would actually guess is brother is 6feet?

they got you tricked about science. science is only as good as the people doing it. it seems you have great faith and dont even question anything they tell you. greater faith than i could ever have.

what were you trying to accomplish with your nature argument ??? im going by the definition of supernatural do i really have to post it again with link???

I dont have any faith, I also dont go with what anyone told me. I dont know where you have that from.

Also YOU YOURSELF said that we humans are by definition supernatural because we dont know were life originated. Thats what you said.

That would mean that everything is supernatural, because everything - not only life - originated at a certain point. A point we cannot fully explain and most likely never will. What we know about the big bang can be observed, calculated, explained, tested. Its not just a story, the traces are actually there.

Nature itself was not always there, so what about that? Is everything that has ever existed or will exist supernatural now?

All you always do is post definitions and youtube videos, but what you do not have is common sense. You can not put 1 and 1 together, its absolutely not possible for you.

And what did you not get about my example of the brother? Did you think I had to guess while I see the brother with my own eyes or what?
I guess thats how you are.
You dont get anything, dont understand anything, try to feed your strange creationist narrative without anything ever making any sense.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Mar 6 2023 05:24am

Mar 5 2023 01:28pm Quote#3776 page 378 you said "It happened once and it happened billions of years ago"

nope............i posted the definition of supernatural. i guess i have to post it again
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=supernatural+meaning
su·per·nat·u·ral
/ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
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adjective
adjective: supernatural
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature

correct, that argument could be made. but i propose to keep it simple and refer to the most complex and interdependent systems known to man known as life (living systems)

scripture says the place had a beginning so in that aspect you agree with the biblical narrative. for the other half of the question refer to the definition of super natural

finally getting some where wasnt to long ago you accuse me of making stuff up. you have a problem with what dawkins is saying??

why would the '6 foot guess' be more reasonable than the '5 foot guess' ?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 6 2023 10:26am

"The beginning" was a simplification. Beginning implements time, which is theorised to not have existed before the big bang. Again we dont know, I am not following any biblical narrative.

6 foot is more likely than 5 foot because the average height of men is 6 feet in central european (where I live). Thats why. As I said, always go with to most likely outcome.

I dont have a problem with Dawkins as a person, no - but I also dont care about what he says. He might be good in his field, but I am not a fan of his, nor am I following his work too much.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Mar 6 2023 12:04pm

have you ever heard about the term "steady state"

i was supposed to assume were you live?

then as an atheist then who do you follow or do you just figure it out all on your own?

Well you could probably have assumed that a height of 6 feet is more likely than a height of 5 feet is almost all regions of the planet, but maybe I was thinking to highly of you still. I always forget that religious people are not really able to think for themselves, so sorry about that.

You see, Atheism is not a religion. I do not follow anyone. Atheism is no church, Atheism doesnt have an alleged truth to spread so why would I follow a person?
I listen to persons, if I think what they say is interesting, sure - but thats it. You are too deep into religious behaviours, dude.

And whats with steady state? I know what that means, but I dont know what you wanna say with this.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Mar 7 2023 01:19am

naw i didnt assume anything. have no idea were you live. and dont care for guessing games. some fictional dude walk up to me "how tall do you think my brother is?" you dont even to think to ask how old is brother is???? the idea being duped into playing such a game........

atheists are the biggest religious kooks the world has ever seen. the sheer amount of faith it takes to be an atheist is un believable. One can observe the sheer complexity going on around us and the response is "....meh" then then make the claim of "grand thinker"

steady state was a belief that the universe was eternal. curious with out any evidence whatsoever they pick a belief that is counter to scripture. curious that when actual evidence does come in it matches the biblical narrative.

o? whats this?........
ATHEIST CHURCHES TAKING OVER??


This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 7 2023 04:25am

Day 14: The Appeal.

In a world that is broken, the psalmist appeals to God to deal with his false accusers. The idea of such a plea ("May my accusers be clothed with dishonor") can be uncomfortable to those of us who are not exposed to the injustices of war, genocide and sex trafficking as others throughout the world are. And yet, at some point we have all chosen to repay evil for evil. But instead of addressing injustice on his own, the psalmist takes this injustice to God and appeals to him to act on his behalf. He chooses to allow a just and holy God to deal with those who have wronged him instead of seeking retribution himself.

If God were only forgiving but not just, there would be nowhere for us to go when we are sinned against. But God's holiness will not tolerate injustice. As comforting as that sounds at first, we also are unjust, so unless there is some remedy for us, we will be judged with the same judgment as our oppressors. The only reason the psalmist (or we) can appeal to God is because Christ has already spoken on our behalf. When Christ cried out to God from the cross, he was rejected and scorned because he was taking the place of a sinful humanity. Now we can appeal to God because he looks at us through the sinless Christ who spoke on our behalf.

Psalms 109:21-31

But you, O God my Lord,
deal on my behalf for your name's sake;
because your steadfast love is good, deliver me!
For I am poor and needy,
and my heart is stricken within me.
I am gone like a shadow at evening;
I am shaken off like a locust.
My knees are weak through fasting;
my body has become gaunt, with no fat.
I am an object of scorn to my accusers;
when they see me, they wag their heads.

Help me, O Lord my God!
Save me according to your steadfast love!
Let them know that this is your hand;
you, O Lord, have done it!
Let them curse, but you will bless!
They arise and are put to shame, but your servant will be glad!
May my accusers be clothed with dishonor;
may they be wrapped in their own shame as in a cloak!

With my mouth I will give great thanks to the Lord;
I will praise him in the midst of the throng.
For he stands at the right hand of the needy one,
to save him from those who condemn his soul to death.

Stay tuned for day 15 of 40.

Before I answer the rest of your post: You can post as much videos about "atheist churches" as you want, but they do not exist.

Its pretty simple: Atheist refuse to believe the unproved claim of an existing god figure, no matter which god but we do not claim a single thing.
There is nothing to preach, there is no one we wanna convince, we dont have an allknowing book, we dont have an allknowing personality, we do not follow anyone's special rules.
The only thing Atheists have trust in, is Truth.

By the way: Your views arent so different from mine. There are Thousands of gods that people believe in. You dont believe in any of those except for one. And I believe in one god less ;-)

It takes exactly zero faith to not believe the god claim. I know its hard for you to comprehend, but its true.
If someone tells me that something extraordenary is true, then I dont believe it until its proven. Thats totally normal in every life situation - except for daily shit that I have no reason to doubt.
When my girlfriend tells me that our daughter pooped her pants, I believe it without checking the facts.
Its reasonable, it happens every single day, so its probably true.

If someone tells me that skypapi made our planet because its the only possible "explanation" than thats lazy horseshit and I dont believe a single word. Prove it and I am with you.

If you care about the truth you cant believe in god. Because truth needs a way to be verified.

Even if god existed, not believing in him would be the right thing to do until its proven. Thats reasonable and thats how we all should approach everything in life. Thats where atheists come from. Always doubt until you know.

Also: The observable universe is finite cause it hasn't existed forever. It extends 46 billion light years in every direction from us, thats as far as we can look into it. While our universe is just 13.8 billion years old, the observable universe reaches further since the universe is in fact expanding. The observable universe is centred on us obviously because that is from where we watch. Other than that, we dont know - which is totally fine.