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Mar 17 2021 07:18am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 17 2021 03:02am)
McConnell: if you try to change the filibuster I'll fillibuster everything

Everybody: how is that different from what you do now?


I'm sure that McConnell can make things a whole lot worse.

But he's right, Republicans will seize back control of both chambers sometime in the near future, and they will use the absence of a filibuster far more effectively than the Democrats would.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 16 2021 11:18pm)
Lower class probably ends around 40k/year at the average cost of living in the U.S.

Middle class probably ends around 250-350k/year for a household.

Upper class goes beyond that, where you end up in "middle upper class" when your primary income is investment instead of working, middle upper when you exclusively rely on investment, and then there's upper upper class where your family has multiple generations living on investments.


If our barometer is "living off investments", we need to go much higher than $350,000 per year. You are talking about a salary that two upper-middle class professionals can reach by the prime of their career. While they should be saving and investing for retirement, the vast majority of their day to day expenses will be paid by their income until they retire.
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Mar 17 2021 07:37am
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I'm sure that McConnell can make things a whole lot worse.

But he's right, Republicans will seize back control of both chambers sometime in the near future, and they will use the absence of a filibuster far more effectively than the Democrats would.



If our barometer is "living off investments", we need to go much higher than $350,000 per year. You are talking about a salary that two upper-middle class professionals can reach by the prime of their career. While they should be saving and investing for retirement, the vast majority of their day to day expenses will be paid by their income until they retire.

lefties want people like this to be taxed at 60%+ rates. dramatic income tax increases, corporate tax increases passed onto the consumer, “wealth” taxes on their mortgage and two financed vehicles to transport kids around in, captial gains taxes changed to their match their income tax rate, and taxing every investment they make.

the really rich and wealthy can easily shield themselves from most of this. the scores of millions of working American families do not have this capability.
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Mar 17 2021 08:38am
Quote (excellence @ Mar 17 2021 02:37pm)
lefties want people like this to be taxed at 60%+ rates. dramatic income tax increases, corporate tax increases passed onto the consumer, “wealth” taxes on their mortgage and two financed vehicles to transport kids around in, captial gains taxes changed to their match their income tax rate, and taxing every investment they make.

the really rich and wealthy can easily shield themselves from most of this. the scores of millions of working American families do not have this capability.


lefties will never understand the fact that reasonable taxes are in everyones best interest

the evil rich people and their money are gone the moment they try to take 60%+, 60% of zero is still zero

unless they throw them into fenders gulags first and build walls to keep people in

so in other words, they would rather use force or get nothing
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Mar 17 2021 08:39am
Abolish income tax, implement national sales tax aka lifestyle tax. Then dick with it so excessive lifestyle and spenders pay higher rate. Also, dedup transitive sales tax so industry doesn't get super boned. Not a great model, but more fair IMO and way less complicated. Eliminates end of year tax burden placed on everyone. Aggregate time spent on tax calculation has no value.
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Mar 17 2021 06:01pm
Taking pointers from nasa:
mean joe green screener, kamala kabala in charge:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uj4rFywWviZH_bvRCIril-_ZrFWRQYh0/view
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Mar 17 2021 06:15pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 17 2021 08:18am)
IIf our barometer is "living off investments", we need to go much higher than $350,000 per year. You are talking about a salary that two upper-middle class professionals can reach by the prime of their career. While they should be saving and investing for retirement, the vast majority of their day to day expenses will be paid by their income until they retire.


Someone making 350k as year is the lower part of the upper class. That most of their income is not from investments is why I made that distinction.

Also I'm assuming you are in the average cost of living area. If you are making 350k in a medium cost of living area, you are upper class. No doubt about it, not even room for argument.

If you are making 350k living in New York City... maybe not.
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Mar 17 2021 06:44pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 18 Mar 2021 01:15)
Someone making 350k as year is the lower part of the upper class. That most of their income is not from investments is why I made that distinction.

Also I'm assuming you are in the average cost of living area. If you are making 350k in a medium cost of living area, you are upper class. No doubt about it, not even room for argument.

If you are making 350k living in New York City... maybe not.


Isnt the poverty line for a household of 4 at $120k in the Bay Area? Even in the most expensive area in the U.S., $350k would be three times the local poverty line, or around 50% higher than the local median income, putting them well into the upper middle class.
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Mar 17 2021 07:26pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 17 2021 07:44pm)
Isnt the poverty line for a household of 4 at $120k in the Bay Area? Even in the most expensive area in the U.S., $350k would be three times the local poverty line, or around 50% higher than the local median income, putting them well into the upper middle class.


Sure, but I was defining the lower end of the upper class, not the upper end of the middle class.
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Mar 17 2021 07:59pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 17 2021 06:18am)
I'm sure that McConnell can make things a whole lot worse.

But he's right, Republicans will seize back control of both chambers sometime in the near future, and they will use the absence of a filibuster far more effectively than the Democrats would.



He can make the Senate a procedural hell. Things can get much, much worse. However, I don't think the GOP will be able to leverage the absence particularly well. They are an opposition party, not a visionary party.
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Mar 17 2021 08:10pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 17 2021 09:59pm)
He can make the Senate a procedural hell. Things can get much, much worse. However, I don't think the GOP will be able to leverage the absence particularly well. They are an opposition party, not a visionary party.


I cant imagine why the founders designed a government with three branches.

Maybe perhaps it was to limit its power in this exact fashion.
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