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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 5 2023 06:23am)
No matter how life started, I am not supernatural. I myself am very natural.

Nothing we know or have ever known has ever been proven to be of supernatural origin. Supernaturalism might even be non-existent.

The fact that we dont know exactly how everything came to existence doesnt make it supernatural. We as humans arent supernatural by any means.

The way you define it would mean that everything that ever existed is supernatural, which would mean that naturalism doesnt even exist just because we dont know for sure how life or anything else apart from life has started to exist.


its not how i define it. look itup
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(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 5 2023 03:53pm)
its not how i define it. look itup
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Funny how you misunderstand that defintion completely. Tell me one thing please: What is natural?
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 5 2023 07:16am)
Funny how you misunderstand that defintion completely. Tell me one thing please: What is natural?


no............first you tell me how I misunderstood the definition

science has no explanation how life could possibly arise by some kind of random accidental naturalistic process and that posses no problem for what i believe. even the high priest of atheism and 'evolution richard dawkins is willing to talk about a creator. he just has problems with a certain kind of creator. high priest atheist scientist comes through for the creationist.


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super dangerous ideas ^_^


ya right and snails was a good idea
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ya right and snails was a good idea


Better than Andrew Tate
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no............first you tell me how I misunderstood the definition

science has no explanation how life could possibly arise by some kind of random accidental naturalistic process and that posses no problem for what i believe. even the high priest of atheism and 'evolution richard dawkins is willing to talk about a creator. he just has problems with a certain kind of creator. high priest atheist scientist comes through for the creationist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoncJBrrdQ8


You totally misunderstood the defintion because you dont realize how this is meant.

What is means is: If you were able to count out every possibilty of scientific explanation for something you can observe, than it would be supernatural.

Thats why nothing has ever been proven to be supernatural. Never. If you disagree, then just show me the scientific paper, the report, the whatever to proof me wrong.

The beginning of life cannot be observed or tested anymore. It happened once and it happened billions of years ago.
There would maybe exist a scientific explanation for it, but we dont know. We cannot test it or look at it. Thats not what supernatural means at all.

Your personal defintion of supernatural would include EVERYTHING. It would delete the natural and therefor make supernatural the new standard - which would then again not prove anything. If we are supernatural then nothing natural exists anywhere because everything originates in some unexplained territory at some point.

And what is going on with your strange obession for Richard Dawkins?
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 5 2023 01:28pm)
You totally misunderstood the defintion because you dont realize how this is meant.

What is means is: If you were able to count out every possibilty of scientific explanation for something you can observe, than it would be supernatural.

Thats why nothing has ever been proven to be supernatural. Never. If you disagree, then just show me the scientific paper, the report, the whatever to proof me wrong.

The beginning of life cannot be observed or tested anymore. It happened once and it happened billions of years ago.
There would maybe exist a scientific explanation for it, but we dont know. We cannot test it or look at it. Thats not what supernatural means at all.

Your personal defintion of supernatural would include EVERYTHING. It would delete the natural and therefor make supernatural the new standard - which would then again not prove anything. If we are supernatural then nothing natural exists anywhere because everything originates in some unexplained territory at some point.

And what is going on with your strange obession for Richard Dawkins?


the definition is in plain language, its easily understood.

quite an imagination to read all that into it

i just proved it to you. you are proven false, now its on you to prove dawkins false.

faith based statement, are you now religious?
there might be a 'scientific explanation for life (living systems) but for now it doesnt look good and the further science progresses it gets worse.

its not my 'personal definition. but your beginning to understand the implications
look https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=supernatural+meaning
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su·per·nat·u·ral
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adjective
adjective: supernatural

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
"a supernatural being"

i find it quite curious that the high priest of antitheism admits darwinism has failed and now entertains the idea of a creator.
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life (living systems) the most complex and interdependent systems known to man. (interdependent means all systems must be in place at the same place and at the same time or the system fails) at a molecular level the stuff is even called nano machines. science poses no challenge to my beliefs

we are made up of machines the stuff is even referred to as molecular machines
Electron Transport Chain

let me ask you something. if you went to the dark side of the moon or another planet and found a bunch of machinery wouid your conclusion be "thats just not evidence of anything"?

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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 6 2023 04:09am)
the definition is in plain language, its easily understood.

quite an imagination to read all that into it

i just proved it to you. you are proven false, now its on you to prove dawkins false.

faith based statement, are you now religious?
there might be a 'scientific explanation for life (living systems) but for now it doesnt look good and the further science progresses it gets worse.

its not my 'personal definition. but your beginning to understand the implications
look https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=supernatural+meaning
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su·per·nat·u·ral
/ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
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adjective
adjective: supernatural

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
"a supernatural being"

i find it quite curious that the high priest of antitheism admits darwinism has failed and now entertains the idea of a creator.
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life (living systems) the most complex and interdependent systems known to man. (interdependent means all systems must be in place at the same place and at the same time or the system fails) at a molecular level the stuff is even called nano machines. science poses no challenge to my beliefs

we are made up of machines the stuff is even referred to as molecular machines
Electron Transport Chain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdF3mnyS1p0
let me ask you something. if you went to the dark side of the moon or another planet and found a bunch of machinery wouid your conclusion be "thats just not evidence of anything"?

How is not knowing something automatically "faith based"?...It would only be faith based if I believed in a right answer without questioning its truth - like you for example.

You are so incredibly dodgy and defensive man :-) Just listen how everything you write makes no sense.

You dodge my question like an eel :-D :-D its hilarious
Highpriest of antiheism..dawkins... hahaha
Again Mr. Know it All: Whats natural?

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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 5 2023 09:56pm)
How is not knowing something automatically "faith based"?...It would only be faith based if I believed in a right answer without questioning its truth - like you for example.

You are so incredibly dodgy and defensive man :-) Just listen how everything you write makes no sense.

You dodge my question like an eel :-D :-D its hilarious
Highpriest of antiheism..dawkins... hahaha
Again Mr. Know it All: Whats natural?


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The beginning of life cannot be observed or tested anymore. It happened once and it happened billions of years ago.

the part in bold is what you have been told. you believe it by faith.

exercising the option to decline your red herrings

nice dodge dodging and calling me a eel very funny
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Highpriest of antiheism..dawkins... hahaha
agree, its very funny

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adding link here before Modulok2405 claims i made up the definition https://www.google.com/search?q=natural+meaning&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=0KQFZM3wF4aIwbkPsdmy6Ak&ved=0ahUKEwjNmPPw8cb9AhUGRDABHbGsDJ0Q4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=natural+meaning&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
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(what argument are you trying to make are you trying to say 'nature is made by man?)
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The beginning of life cannot be observed or tested anymore. It happened once and it happened billions of years ago.

it happened once you say? this guy is scientist that actually works in a lab hes saying there is more than one life form. kook atheists gona say multiple abiogenesis events? while high priest dawkins talks about a creator.


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100% speculation yet again

Note that in shrek he said that'll do donkey, that'll do. As they crossed the bridge with lava underneath


Day 13: The Scorn

David is drowning in his troubles (vv. 1-3). he is crying out in solitary agony, cast aside by his friends and family (v. 4) and set upon by his foes (v. 8). His reputation is under attack. The champion whose name was once celebrated in the streets is now being mocked in the taverns (v. 12). Israel's savior is crying for salvation and he hears no reply (v. 3).

The pain we feel when our reputation is under attack is uniquely excruciating. No matter whether we come from cultural backgrounds that prize the family name or are individualists who seek to make a name for ourselves, that name is our resumé. Kill it and we are in danger of a full-blown identity crisis. How are we tempted to respond when it is our reputation that is being assaulted? Do we cover up our flaws? Do we succumb to despair? Do we drive ourselves (and others) crazy in a hopeless quest for perfection? David is on a different track.

Even in his distress, David's mind is not on himself. He is not preoccupied with his own honor. His zeal is for the Lord's house. This is what consumes him (v. 9). Honestly confessing his faults, he prays there would be no collateral damage from his own folly that would defame the God of Israel or those who look to him (vv. 5-6). David makes his appeal, boldly staking his claim upon the steadfast love and faithfulness of his just and omniscient Lord (v. 13). In short, he locates himself in God's own reputation.

Many years later, the one called the Son of David entered the temple in Jerusalem at Passover, driving out the merchants and money-changers. His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for your house has consumed me" (John 2:17). This confrontation sparked the events that would culminate in the greatest loss of dignity imaginable. The creator of the universe, humiliated as a criminal on a cross, prayed for his enemies, offering them all the benefits of his good name. In Jesus, we inherit an eternal reputation that can never be tarnished.

Psalms 69:1-12

Save me, O God!
For the waters have come up to my neck.
I sink in deep mire,
where there is no foothold;
I have come into deep waters,
and the flood sweeps over me.
I am weary with my crying out;
my throat is parched.
My eyes grow dim
with waiting for my God.

More in number than the hairs of my head
are those who hate me without cause;
mighty are those who would destroy me,
those who attack me with lies.
What I did not steal
must I now restore?
O God, you know my folly;
the wrongs I have done are not hidden from you.

Let not those who hope in you be put to shame through me,
O Lord God of hosts;
let not those who seek you be brought to dishonor through me,
O God of Israel.
For it is for your sake that I have borne reproach,
that dishonor has covered my face.
I have become a stranger to my brothers,
an alien to my mother's sons.

For zeal for your house has consumed me,
and the reproaches of those who reproach you have fallen on me.
When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting,
it became my reproach.
When I made sackcloth my clothing,
I became a byword to them.
I am the talk of those who sit in the gate,
and the drunkards make songs about me.

John 2:17

His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

Stay tuned for day 14 of 40.
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