Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 31 Oct 2023 19:33)
Oh not at all, I support removing Hamas 100%.
your self-deception is the part where you pretend like indiscriminately bombing and starving children "removes hamas", not that you support the officially stated goal.
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 31 Oct 2023 19:33)
Where the babies beheaded by Hamas responsible for the persecution of Palestinians?
See how that type of argument doesn't hold water?
unlike you, i did not make excuses for indiscriminately killing children. i called it what it is: barbarism, terrorism. even israel's decades of brutal oppression, human rights violations, and apartheid don't justify it. those babies were innocent. now it's your turn, let's see if you can pass that extremely low bar...
suggesting that what israel is doing is just the best they can do to get rid of terrorists is like suggesting what hamas did on october 7th is the best they could do to end the illegal occupation: it's wrong, it's cynical, it's counter-productive, it's cruel.
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 31 Oct 2023 19:33)
I just don't live in a delusional world where a war is undertaken without any civilian casualties.
Try to be pragmatic. You want Israel to operate in a "better way"
But what your then saying is that Hamas can fire rockets from a school but then Israel cannot respond because there could be civilian casualties.
moronic false dichotomy. there is a whole lot of options between "
without any civilian casualties" and the indiscriminate slaughtering of thousands of innocent people.
israel has sheer endless means: they have state of the art surveillance drones and equipment. they were able to provide a conversation between terrorists to "prove" to the world they did not bomb that one particular hospital within a day ffs. they clearly have an extensive intelligence and surveillance network within gaza. mossad has proven over and over how competent, ruthless, and precise they are: killing nazi war criminals all over the world, decades after they went hiding, finding and eliminating terror cells and political opponents in every corner of this planet - without slaughtering thousands of children in the process.
to act like they can't find and assassinate terrorists in a tiny area whose borders israel directly controls, and whose politics and inner workings it actively forms and manipulates, to act like indiscriminately bombing and starving millions of innocent people, rather than using their formidable intelligence network and special forces to prevent civilian casualties, that's the REAL "delusion" here.
seriously, are you just speed-running all the idiotic and long-debunked talking points of other ethnic cleansing apologists now? because at this point it's safe to say that you simply don't WANT to get it. i refuse to believe people are genuinely dumb enough to believe that just cutting water, aid, fuel, and power to an already destitute population of millions (half of which children!) is their best shot at preventing civilian casualties. that's insane...
This post was edited by fender on Oct 31 2023 01:26pm