That is Brian H's interpretation. I don't think the founding fathers meant fat guys in ski mask either as well regulated militias lol.

You think they worded the amendment poorly on purpose because of how much they disagreed over it like freedom from religion?

Some people would say you have to judge the document based on what the people who wrote it meant and interpret it, Other people would say you have to go by what the words actually mean. Originalism vs textualism is real. There is no dominant way to interpret law each judge has their own.

What it actually means depends on the judge that is hearing it. And precedent isn't as strong as it used to be.

Gun enthusiast should be very careful while watching restrictions placed on other freedoms like abortion. Any government that can ban abortion can ban guns.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 2 2020 08:38am

its quite proven that R don't understand socialism.
R states give less into the fed.. But they don't care
Consume more dollars in food stamps per capita etc. and don't care
Have now.. subsidies for farming+food stamps+trumps new wave of farming subsidies (which also are mostly R states) 3X they get fed a social service
have a general lower education level, which leads to more dependency no menial/manufacturing jobs and think they deserve 45$ an hr.
NONE of these facts matter.
Its black man take my money, so i vote R.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on May 2 2020 08:40am

the 2nd amendmant has lost court cases over the type of weapon allowed. I support the 2nd A. but realize there is a problem in the US, have no idea on the fix.

So has speech, worship, etc. Rights aren't unfettered.

I agree.. Just what is the fix...
Background checks.. Semi effective.
Mental health -personally think more traction can be had here
Type of gun- meh you can kill people with whatever
SEVERE PENALTIES- for any gun law violation (maybe)
Stop gun show loopholes etc-- yes don't know if it will solve much.

I think the underlying problem is Americans are fucked up and they like to shoot into crowds..
Typically by social misfits that can't get laid.. hmm prostitution solves gun problem.. LOL j/k

You're assuming I support watching restrictions placed on abortion. Besides, the 'militia' in those days was comprised of all able-bodied men between certain ages, and while formal federal conscription didn't occur for wars until the Civil War, there were local, decentralized calls for draft to service all the way back to the Revolutionary War. Men called to service were expected to provide their own arms then, so the need for an individual right was paramount.

Well my excellent logic didn't bite me in the ass.

But here's the loopholes in YOUR logic. Florida and Alabam don't really have a choice...those WHOLE states are in the hurricane zone.
New Yorkers though, DO have a choice. You don't need 8.4 million people to run even three airports. They have a whole state to live in, that doesn't have them all living in each others back pockets.

New York's problem is that they have sanctuary cities, they refuse to move out of New York City, even though there is no longer a NEED to live there. They could leave say a million people in NYC and it would still be fine. The diffetrence being that when something like a coronavirus does happen, it won't spread like wildfire because there's too many people living there.

It's not like we can't SEE the results of having too many people in a city. We have Hong Kong and Japan for example, that are perfect examples. Unlike New York though, they don't have anywhere to move to. They're full up.

Sanctuary cities..
Give me some conclusive evidence that sanctuary cities are the cause of overpopulation..
LOOOL

We have a professional army, a reserve, and a national guard, a progression from what you describe from ~200 years ago.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm stating those wedge rights are married in a weird way and Libertarians are right about it.

I'm pro gun rights and abortion/privacy in healthcare for the record.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 2 2020 10:06am

Yeah, a well regulated militia hasn't been necessary for a very long time, and I get a nice chuckle when people say "Yeah, but the reason our government has been good for so long is because that threat was always there".

I also find it funny when similar people argue in favor of the death penalty. Their explicit distrust of the government suddenly vanishes and the government is now competent enough to only convict guilty people.