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Oct 31 2023 11:42am
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Quote (bogie160 @ 31 Oct 2023 18:33)
It is perfectly ok to invade a country ruled by a government you are at war with, especially one which invaded your country and killed thousands of your citizens.
And it is morally necessary to continue on as the government in Gaza intentionally hides weapon caches in mosques, fires rockets from schools, and headquarters in the basement of a hospital. Proving these tactics ineffective will save innumerable future lives.


Quote (thesnipa @ 31 Oct 2023 18:34)
what's wrong? being too cowardly to admit you want hamas to not be punished for their actions. i'm not a coward, i'd have been fine if israel didnt respond with a single bomb, i'd prefer it. but that's not reality.
and lets say israel droped just a few bombs, these cowards still wouldnt be happy. they ask "how much blood is enough", i ask "how little blood would you accept". they wont answer, but we both know it's zero.
i dont have an issue with being anti israel, or pro palestinian, just dont lie. dont pretend that some surgical military operation can be done to extract all hamas militants while leaving the rest of gaza alone, or that even if you did it would stop hamas. that's just lies.
as is the virtue signalling of "war crimes" and "un condemnations". who cares? does that save gazans? does that imprison israeli leadership? its screeching, and nothing more. its language used to invoke the Nuremberg trials, and we're not getting an israeli version.


In the same way your people are acknowledging the killing of 1 million iraqis civilians. This is why i sincerly hope that the crazies nuke U.S or Israel instead of Europe, your guys are actively working for this. Good luck.

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Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 31 2023 07:40pm)
the big, elephant of a problem that you are missing is that Israel has taken ZERO steps to avoid civilian casualties. on the flip side, they want as asymmetrical a response as possible and DONT CARE if civilians are killed in the process. the are indiscriminately bombing . THIS is the problem

I wouldnt be so quick to write off future sanctions against Israel for whats happening now...the whole world is watching


Which steps israel should have taken ?
This is not Liam Nissan movie.
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Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 31 2023 05:40pm)
the big, elephant of a problem that you are missing is that Israel has taken ZERO steps to avoid civilian casualties. on the flip side, they want as asymmetrical a response as possible and DONT CARE if civilians are killed in the process. the are indiscriminately bombing . THIS is the problem

I wouldnt be so quick to write off future sanctions against Israel for whats happening now...the whole world is watching


That is not true at all, wtf?
They asked and gave time for civilians that could leave to do so.

Hamas are firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel. They take shelter in civilian buildings and use civilians as human shields. Both Israeli and Palestinian.

Israel has taken MORE steps to protect Palestinian civilians than Hamas.
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Oct 31 2023 11:48am
Reminds me of this thread :D
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Oct 31 2023 11:49am
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 31 2023 12:40pm)
the big, elephant of a problem that you are missing is that Israel has taken ZERO steps to avoid civilian casualties. on the flip side, they want as asymmetrical a response as possible and DONT CARE if civilians are killed in the process. the are indiscriminately bombing . THIS is the problem

I wouldnt be so quick to write off future sanctions against Israel for whats happening now...the whole world is watching


This is confirmation bias. "civilians are being killed, so they're not even trying".

the bulk of civilian deaths are happening in a zone that was told to evacuate, like 90%+ of the deaths. they didnt leave. now, we can get into context of who could and couldnt leave, where safe zones are, whether they'd have been bombed even if they left, etc.

and of course its clear israel isnt taking NEARLY as much of a cautious approach to bombing as they have for years now. these strikes are neither as surgical or as lenient in number as the response to past rocket attacks. but let's be clear, we're still in the kid gloves territory of what israel could do without even dusting off a nuke. they could, and still might, level ALL of the northern half of gaza city and turn it into an uninhabitable DMZ. they could then move in on foot and secure that area with a wall invoking "land grab" responses. they could refuse power and water to move people south where they do provide it. etc.

all this to say things can of course get worse, and likely will. the hostages are either dead or considered dead. hezbollah is now mocking hamas. the west bank leadership is likely upset how this affects their case against settlements. hamas has less and less friends, and will lash out again. and much like the titanic sub case once the clock ticks down, and we can presume the hostages really are all dead, the gloves may come off and never go back on again. gaza city is likely to become a gravel factory. and those citizens who spit on raped israeli corpses as hamas paraded them back through town will have to move south whether they like it or not. if one thing is clear its that the top of that city will never again be allowed to exist as it does now.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 31 2023 05:42pm)
In the same way your people are acknowledging the killing of 1 million iraqis civilians. This is why i sincerly hope that the crazies nuke U.S or Israel instead of Europe, your guys are actively working for this. Good luck.


Wtf
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Oct 31 2023 11:51am
Quote (WhiteSouned @ Oct 31 2023 10:44am)
Which steps israel should have taken ?
This is not Liam Nissan movie.


Netanyahu should have paid more attention to the intelligence he received prior to Oct 7 for starters, this whole situation could have been quelled
beyond that, maybe showing a higher regard for human life would help? their rhetoric combined with their actions show theyre just doubling down on being wrong

IMHO, go after Hamas in whatever way guarantees the least amount of civilian casualties possible. is that an insane take to have?
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Oct 31 2023 11:55am
Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 31 2023 12:51pm)
Netanyahu should have paid more attention to the intelligence he received prior to Oct 7 for starters, this whole situation could have been quelled
beyond that, maybe showing a higher regard for human life would help? their rhetoric combined with their actions show theyre just doubling down on being wrong

IMHO, go after Hamas in whatever way guarantees the least amount of civilian casualties possible. is that an insane take to have?


and what if that's what they're already doing? have u considered that? or did u start from "thats impossible"?
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Oct 31 2023 11:58am
"Human shield" the magic words that make war crimes a good thing! :thumbsup:

Hamas should have tried that on oct 7th, would have been fine then yeah?
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Oct 31 2023 11:59am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 31 Oct 2023 18:49)
Wtf


These turds are 8000 km away and are actively helping spreading horrible shit in middle east. Figure out if you think it's fine or if it's "wtf"...
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