Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 31 2023 12:40pm)
the big, elephant of a problem that you are missing is that Israel has taken ZERO steps to avoid civilian casualties. on the flip side, they want as asymmetrical a response as possible and DONT CARE if civilians are killed in the process. the are indiscriminately bombing . THIS is the problem
I wouldnt be so quick to write off future sanctions against Israel for whats happening now...the whole world is watching
This is confirmation bias. "civilians are being killed, so they're not even trying".
the bulk of civilian deaths are happening in a zone that was told to evacuate, like 90%+ of the deaths. they didnt leave. now, we can get into context of who could and couldnt leave, where safe zones are, whether they'd have been bombed even if they left, etc.
and of course its clear israel isnt taking NEARLY as much of a cautious approach to bombing as they have for years now. these strikes are neither as surgical or as lenient in number as the response to past rocket attacks. but let's be clear, we're still in the kid gloves territory of what israel could do without even dusting off a nuke. they could, and still might, level ALL of the northern half of gaza city and turn it into an uninhabitable DMZ. they could then move in on foot and secure that area with a wall invoking "land grab" responses. they could refuse power and water to move people south where they do provide it. etc.
all this to say things can of course get worse, and likely will. the hostages are either dead or considered dead. hezbollah is now mocking hamas. the west bank leadership is likely upset how this affects their case against settlements. hamas has less and less friends, and will lash out again. and much like the titanic sub case once the clock ticks down, and we can presume the hostages really are all dead, the gloves may come off and never go back on again. gaza city is likely to become a gravel factory. and those citizens who spit on raped israeli corpses as hamas paraded them back through town will have to move south whether they like it or not. if one thing is clear its that the top of that city will never again be allowed to exist as it does now.