i was being cheeky about it not being Kim's fault, but they are prosecuted under a juche form of due process. for anyone accused there would be a dozen witnesses willing to testify, if it were a US trial they'd be found guilty just the same with that number of people willing to throw them under the bus. but yes, as barbaric and awful as the Juche system is, it is their due process, and the North Koreans rarely whack anyone, they put them in camps to draw the last bit of strength from them via labor.

Did the Nazis make a public law that Jews' rights to life were forfeit? Or did they make a massive clandestine effort to violate their rights to life?

This post was edited by Santara on Apr 24 2020 12:02pm

How the expectation that you can keep your life is forfeited is immaterial. If the expectation is gone, the right is gone, and the Jews in Germany had lost it all the same.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 24 2020 12:05pm

So if im a conspiracy nut who believe the govt will drone my house because of a wikileaks article i shared on my 5 follower twitter account my right to life has been lost?

I kind of addressed this earlier. Simply defining a right as an expectation isn't sufficient to describe our notions of rights. It should be a reasonable expectation that is then met or enforced by another party, or some other form of qualified expectation.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 24 2020 12:16pm

Reasonable is subjective. Then again Santara is trying to define rights, at your request (and Skinned's), based on human history, all forms of governance, and hypothetical what/ifs. so using subjective benchmarks takes an already insanely hard task and makes it impossible.

this is generally the reason for a philosophical divide between natural rights and other categories of rights. because while they're not perfectly objective on paper or in practice, they have been present and respected a large enough amount of time that we can consider them nearly standard for humans. since before we even had societies we had an idea of personal property, etc.

trying to perfectly define rights in all contexts is like defining art or pornography, its only a worthwhile practice for it's own argumentative sake. not to actually create objective ideas from.

does anybody have the original vid of trump recommending drinking desinfect?

So let's use Anne Frank as the example. She goes into hiding with her family because they expect to be persecuted (the extent of the persecution may, or may not be known). She's able to go into hiding because her family approaches another family and presents their concern and the other family believes they deserve their right to life. Is there not now also an expectation that their right to life is respected, while simultaneously not respected by the legal powers? Yes.

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