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May 19 2019 01:37pm
Quote (ampoo @ 19 May 2019 19:35)
the answer will stay the same, producing lithium is rather difficult and uses shitloads of energy
unless somebody reinvents science the main production method will stay the same and it needs a high energy supply 24/7 plus lots of chemicals
it is a so called "critical element" by the way, which means that it is not exactly abundant

low cobalt batteries are good news for safety, because the cobalt used is the main reason these things can explode and burn down while loading
however the alternatives are not as convenient to use

80% of an already poor range in 30 minutes....
reminds me of a nice report in the media recently where a guy tested the audi "e-tron", a high end electric car
long story short, for over 100k€ and a 800 kilo battery you cant even make the 300km trip from hamburg to berlin

not to mention that the batteries will lose a lot of their capacity before they even become effective
electrical energy is not meant to be stored in high quantities, thats why our power supply works the way it does
you produce the energy you need at the exact same time

might as well buy a horse or a good bicycle instead



Where did they wrote cars will need Lithium and not Hydrogen ?
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May 19 2019 01:40pm
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Where did they wrote cars will need Lithium and not Hydrogen ?


oh my god :mellow:
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May 19 2019 01:52pm
Quote (ampoo @ 19 May 2019 20:40)
oh my god :mellow:


nicely introduced

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May 19 2019 01:57pm
regarding the kerosine:

at the moment, flight kerosine has tax exemptions which give air traffic an unfair and unjustified advantage over cars/buses/trains. there is no good reason for this tax break whatsoever, and it is incentivizing the most eco-unfriendly way of travelling. therefore, it should go asap.

a revenue-neutral CO2 tax (i.e. the entire revenue generated through this tax is given back to the people, so that those who produce below average CO2 emissions are net beneficiaries) would be an interesting idea in theory. but in practice, I'd have zero point zero trust in our politicians pulling it off without keeping some of this tax revenue for other budgets, so that such a tax would constitute a true tax hike. I'm with ampoo on this one: it would be foolish to assume that our politicians would pull off such a tax in good faith.

moreover, it would be a prime example of a slippery slope: the environmentalists want CO2 emissions to decrease considerably, and a CO2 tax of moderate scope just wouldnt create very big reductions. therefore, it has to be strongly assumed that this CO2 tax would be raised over time, to the point of making certain things prohibitively expensive.

and on top of all that, I also think that a CO2 tax would not produce the right kind of steering effect. it would disproportionately punish people living in more rural regions where a comprehensive public transport just isnt feasible, so that they are dependent on their cars. and of course commuters. hence, such a tax would punish the rural space and incentivize even more rural exodus to the cities, despite this already being a huge problem all across the developed world. exploding rent and real estate prices in cities are already a huge problem, as is the desolation of rural areas, and such a tax would only exacerbate both.



of course, it is no surprise that this tax is proposed by environmentalists and voters of green parties - those demographics are disproportionately urban and well-off. in general, all almost all green parties propagate the exact kinds of sacrifice and consumption reduction which would disproportionately affect others and spare their own lifestyle.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 19 2019 01:59pm
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regarding the kerosine:

at the moment, flight kerosine has tax exemptions which give air traffic an unfair and unjustified advantage over cars/buses/trains. there is no good reason for this tax break whatsoever, and it is incentivizing the most eco-unfriendly way of travelling. therefore, it should go asap.

a revenue-neutral CO2 tax (i.e. the entire revenue generated through this tax is given back to the people, so that those who produce below average CO2 emissions are net beneficiaries) would be an interesting idea in theory. but in practice, I'd have zero point zero trust in our politicians pulling it off without keeping some of this tax revenue for other budgets, so that such a tax would constitute a true tax hike. I'm with ampoo on this one: it would be foolish to assume that our politicians would pull off such a tax in good faith.

moreover, it would be a prime example of a slippery slope: the environmentalists want CO2 emissions to decrease considerably, and a CO2 tax of moderate scope just wouldnt create very big reductions. therefore, it has to be strongly assumed that this CO2 tax would be raised over time, to the point of making certain things prohibitively expensive.

and on top of all that, I also think that a CO2 tax would not produce the right kind of steering effect. it would disproportionately punish people living in more rural regions where a comprehensive public transport just isnt feasible, so that they are dependent on their cars. and of course commuters. hence, such a tax would punish the rural space and incentivize even more rural exodus to the cities, despite this already being a huge problem all across the developed world. exploding rent and real estate prices in cities are already a huge problem, as is the desolation of rural areas, and such a tax would only exacerbate both.

of course, it is no surprise that this tax is proposed by environmentalists and voters of green parties - those demographics are disproportionately urban and well-off. in general, all almost all green parties propagate the exact kinds of sacrifice and consumption reduction which would disproportionately affect others and spare their own lifestyle.


that idea is rather old, as you know the greens in germany demanded a price of 5 bucks per liter like 20 years ago
of course it doesnt bother them, the stupid taxpayer will pay for the "never worked a day in my life politician" faction

absuing state power to force people out of their way of life, textbook authoritarianism
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 19 2019 08:57pm)
regarding the kerosine:

at the moment, flight kerosine has tax exemptions which give air traffic an unfair and unjustified advantage over cars/buses/trains. there is no good reason for this tax break whatsoever, and it is incentivizing the most eco-unfriendly way of travelling. therefore, it should go asap.

a revenue-neutral CO2 tax (i.e. the entire revenue generated through this tax is given back to the people, so that those who produce below average CO2 emissions are net beneficiaries) would be an interesting idea in theory. but in practice, I'd have zero point zero trust in our politicians pulling it off without keeping some of this tax revenue for other budgets, so that such a tax would constitute a true tax hike. I'm with ampoo on this one: it would be foolish to assume that our politicians would pull off such a tax in good faith.

moreover, it would be a prime example of a slippery slope: the environmentalists want CO2 emissions to decrease considerably, and a CO2 tax of moderate scope just wouldnt create very big reductions. therefore, it has to be strongly assumed that this CO2 tax would be raised over time, to the point of making certain things prohibitively expensive.

and on top of all that, I also think that a CO2 tax would not produce the right kind of steering effect. it would disproportionately punish people living in more rural regions where a comprehensive public transport just isnt feasible, so that they are dependent on their cars. and of course commuters. hence, such a tax would punish the rural space and incentivize even more rural exodus to the cities, despite this already being a huge problem all across the developed world. exploding rent and real estate prices in cities are already a huge problem, as is the desolation of rural areas, and such a tax would only exacerbate both.



of course, it is no surprise that this tax is proposed by environmentalists and voters of green parties - those demographics are disproportionately urban and well-off. in general, all almost all green parties propagate the exact kinds of sacrifice and consumption reduction which would disproportionately affect others and spare their own lifestyle.


Hmm I agree with some points, although the considered CO2 tax increase over time, would be needed because of it having effect. The Achilles' heel of a CO2 tax, is the delicate balancing act of a tax that is designed to abolish itself. Overall if the tax is redistributed equally, the poor should benefit from it, even in the rural areas, for consuming less than average.. Still.. there should be kept a small buffer of the tax to not redistribute equally for.. let's say for instance a commuting subsidy for lower incomes.

btw. We've got an international agreement, that though shalt not put a tax on airplane fuel.. An ancient measure to spurr the flight industry.. Don't think they need a tax advantage anymore :)

This post was edited by Knoppie on May 20 2019 11:58am
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Some mild outrage over here because of FvD (our alt-right movement) chief Thierry Baudet and his article in American Affairs. https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/houellebecqs-unfinished-critique-of-liberal-modernity/#.XOJe0g0yP_c

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And both base their vision of society on the (unfounded but supposedly “self-evident”) principle that every individual enjoys certain “inalienable rights,” which by definition eclipse all other claims, and to which all other ties, loyalties, and connections must ultimately be subordinated. Over time, all such institutions that the individual requires to fully actualize a meaningful existence—such as a family and a connection to generations past and future, a nation, a tradition, perhaps a church—will weaken and eventually disappear. Today, even new life (in the womb) may be extinguished to avoid disturbing the individual’s freedom. In the Netherlands (where I live), suicide is facilitated to ensure that here, too, no constraints—such as the duty to care for your parents—are placed on the individual.

It is this fundamental assumption of the modern age—that individual autonomy (be it through free markets or welfarism) leads to happiness—which Michel Houellebecq challenges. He questions the sacred trinity of the modern worldview. As we once worshipped the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, we today venerate liberty, equality, and fraternity. And Houellebecq proposes that this new trinity falls short—that the very idea that we should be trying to pursue individual happiness is itself flawed. Getting what we want does not make us happy; it actually makes us unhappy. Constantly enticed by the promise of relief, which in the end never really relieves, we keep hopelessly searching for the thing that “truly” makes us, as “individuals,” “be ourselves.” In Houellebecq’s view, the very philosophical concept of “the individual self” is wrong. For without the ability to define ourselves in an unbreakable connection with our surroundings, there is nothing for us to derive meaning from and we end up depressed. Thus, the freest people who have ever lived have also come to live the least meaningful lives. The more we “liberate” ourselves from our social ties, the more we become the slaves of our own distorted self-image.


Even many right-winged people are calling a big 'yikes' on it. He's also been courting our Reformed Christian Party for a while now, calling back to the good old days of women in the kitchen. Not a great political move.
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May 20 2019 01:27pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48335316

after the scandal in the austrian government and the resignation of vice chancellor strache, chancellor kurz attempted to fire the minister of the interior kickl
the FPÖ party threatened that in this event all their ministers would leave the government immediately

and thats exactly what happened now, what a shitshow :lol:

but it is kinda refreshing to see a country like austria where corruption and stupidity actually have consequences....unlike some neighbour state
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48335316

after the scandal in the austrian government and the resignation of vice chancellor strache, chancellor kurz attempted to fire the minister of the interior kickl
the FPÖ party threatened that in this event all their ministers would leave the government immediately

and thats exactly what happened now, what a shitshow :lol:

but it is kinda refreshing to see a country like austria where corruption and stupidity actually have consequences....unlike some neighbour state


Good that you're calling out Orban :P
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Good that you're calling out Orban :P


kinda forgot about him, but i am talking about germany obviously
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