If we didn't have a state, then a state would naturally arise, as it has everywhere in all of human history. However, that state doesn't necessarily guarantee all of the "rights" that we value now, but can be used as a tool to guarantee "rights" that are valued by the society that produced or maintains the state.

Have you been watching Ben Shapiro recently? Because the "pwn the leftists" thing you are doing right now is pretty reminiscent of his shtick.

i haven't been a daily Shapiro watcher for maybe 6 months, was previously as i find him entertaining.

im guessing he hits a bit too close to home for you to enjoy. i find him funny even tho i would guess i only 50% agree with what he says or less.

If rights are the expectation of how you will be treated under an ungoverned society, they can be removed by that society if it does not respect that thing. So there is still no difference here.



https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/has-a-libertarian-society-ever-existed/

Shapiro just has zero self awareness so almost all of his arguments can be picked apart in two seconds. When somebody claims to value things like logic and reason, then they don't act logical or reasonable, you can debunk their arguments on their own terms by just pointing out how they aren't being logical or reasonable. People like Hannity are actually harder to debunk because they don't pretend to come at the material from an objective perspective, so you have to get at the more fundamental underpinnings to "debunk" them. As a result I find Shapiro to be painfully boring.

This is a good example of trying to win an argument by spewing bullshit so your opponent has to debunk it. The larger reason being that he's trying to map modern political concepts onto ancient or undeveloped peoples where the concepts just don't map. Might as well call tribal societies a Marxist Utopia.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 23 2020 01:30pm

everyone has logical blindspots. do you have an example specifically of him being illogical or unreasonable? im just curious what you think applies.

It's quite exaggerated, but it makes a few good points. Americans really have been hoodwinked.

This post was edited by thundercock on Apr 23 2020 01:35pm

"americans think they're free, but really they're not free, because they are free to fail. real freedom is paying more to your govt in case you fail so they can stop your failure."

mixed in with typical "north korea doesnt exist and that's why americans are the most indoctrinated people on earth" nonsense.

those kind of things to me are like game of thrones last season, hits a few high notes but overall its trash.

Oh God I haven't actually sat down and watched Ben Shapiro in a very long time.