Quote (lithfkn @ Feb 3 2016 12:04am)

He spent his whole life borrowing money and leeching off others lol what a champion... its like taking dietary advise from a fat person

Quote (lithfkn @ Feb 2 2016 04:25pm)

:lol:

Don't know mate. Just can't take economic advise from a bloke that was disastrous with money.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 2 2016 04:19pm)

Certainly not separation of church and state. Woolstonecraft did a good bit of writing about women's issues but she sort of got thrown to the wayside.

In America these issues didn't gain traction because of Marx. Just because he wrote them down first doesn't mean their popularity stems from him. In intellectual circles his concepts definitely made a splash, but in America we had vastly different motivations driving our progress.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 3 2016 12:37am)

Wollstonecraft was great but philosophy is a boys club and she wasn't let in. Woman philosophers haven't been taken seriously until recently. There are some very nice ones. Karin Cetina-Knorr is one I've been really interested in lately, mostly revolving around the philosophy of science and technology. Things are definitely stranger than they appear.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 3 2016 07:29am)

Then you can't be a fan of our Republican party then.

And it can't be known if he was disastrous with money because he never had any. It isn't like our dear Donald Trump, who gets a small nation's GDP inherited to him, turns it into a fraction of what it would be over time, and gets hailed as a great empire builder due to ideology, ideology being the thing Marx really did philosophy on, not economics.

If Marx had the GDP of a small nation given to him, then we would know if he was good with money or not. He was extremely good at philosophy though, and is one of the big three founders of the social sciences with Weber and Durkheim, and certainly greater than both.

Maybe you shouldn't judge a fish by its ability to climb trees :)

Quote (lithfkn @ Feb 2 2016 04:54pm)

Dont go ad hom on me bro. Im not a fan of your republican party by any stretch and I'm not sure where that came from.

I dont disagree he was a great philosopher and poet. I just think its funny that a guy that was terrible with money wrote the leftist economic bible, Kapital :lol:

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 2 2016 02:37pm)

Wollstonecraft was great but philosophy is a boys club and she wasn't let in. Woman philosophers haven't been taken seriously until recently. There are some very nice ones. Karin Cetina-Knorr is one I've been really interested in lately, mostly revolving around the philosophy of science and technology. Things are definitely stranger than they appear.

But I'm talking globally and historically, Marx was simply a huge voice, and by far the loudest voice for egalitarian values. I don't think it happens anywhere without his work, as movements don't happen without philosophical foundations, and he is the foundation of so much, almost everything modern.

/e Apples post. I should triple post lol.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 2 2016 05:03pm)

I'm pretty sure women's rights would have still gone down in America without Marx. We only gave them rights when we had literally no other option because all our boys were busy dying. Precedent for women to work was already there from early textile factories. Birth control in America still would have happened because Sanger wasn't thinking about women's rights, she was too busy thinking "How can we stop polluting our glorious country with so many immigrant spawn?"

Marx was huge and there have been a lot of changes due to his work, but not so much the ones you mentioned.

Quote (IceMage @ Feb 2 2016 03:21pm)

Liberal victim identity talking points vs millions of lives?

Pretty easy choice.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 2 2016 05:03pm)

I'm pretty sure women's rights would have still gone down in America without Marx. We only gave them rights when we had literally no other option because all our boys were busy dying. Precedent for women to work was already there from early textile factories. Birth control in America still would have happened because Sanger wasn't thinking about women's rights, she was too busy thinking "How can we stop polluting our glorious country with so many immigrant spawn?"

Marx was huge and there have been a lot of changes due to his work, but not so much the ones you mentioned.