Quote (lodd222 @ Feb 17 2021 01:01pm)

You assigning idealism(perfection in alcohol making pocess) and forgetting to take into account reality+human error as well. Hence gram negative bacteria being everywhere and nearly impossible to get rid of. Google will confirm this for you.



Return to your former cave, you are child's play.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 12:53am)

How about you read the document. How about you do a lot of things. Let's start with this:

Andrew Cuomo had infected patients sent to nursing homes, where they infected other elderly patients who proceeded to die in record numbers. You justified this action. YOU. He also covered up nursing home deaths, which 3 to 5 times the previously reported 3K they'd given. Your excuse was, "Their hospitals were overwhelmed, they needed beds!" And we told you, "But Thor, there's a field hospital that can house them without risking the other elderly nursing home residents. Hell, there's even a navy medical ship that's unused!" Now that Trump's out, and it turns out that Cuomo lied specifically to prevent an investigation by Trump's DOJ, effectively murdering ten to fifteeen thousand nursing home residents and covering it up to prevent consequence, even other NY Dems are demanding an investigation by Biden's DOJ.

You justified his actions. You claimed he did the right thing. Will you admit you were wrong?

Back almost exactly a year ago, the CDC was saying "masks don't help". Folks such as myself said, "That's absurd. It's an airborne virus. It'll help in risk mitigation. Any other claim is absurd." Your claim was that it wasn't airborne, and I didn't know what I was talking about. Can you admit you were wrong?

You've been wrong. Over and over and over and over. You constantly try to justify being wrong about this entire fiasco by claiming, "Well we didn't know." Yes, we did. We knew it was airborne thanks to Taiwan. We knew it was out of China and in the US in January last year. We knew it was too widespread for lockdowns to accomplish anything. We knew encouraging masks would be good months before the first mask mandate was given. You've made excuses, claimed stupid shit, and frankly been the primary source of fake news in all of PaRD regarding Covid.

The first thing a person who isn't a science denier would do, assuming they don't already know, when hearing about something like covid is google, "What is a coronavirus, and how is it spread?" Utilizing this information, they'd find out it's a cold, spread through virtually every form of body fluid and is airborne. They make up 20% of the common cold as well as a few "novel" viruses. The simple fact of knowing what a coronavirus IS should have been the number 1 indicator. Yet you insisted, "This is different, you're WRONG!" Nope. Everything from a year ago, I was right. Now you're trying to insist, "Mask mask mask omg!" Yeah dipshit, we've been masking. For a year. How the fuck did 110 million people get the virus?

Admit, for the first time in your life, that you were wrong. Pick a subject. That Biden would give 2K day 1? That covid's not airborne? That masks won't help because it's not airborne? Choose one subject you've been wrong about, or let's just agree you're a blatant liar. :)

Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 16 2021 11:33pm)

some one could tell you a "conclusion" and you would run with it no matter the prior, your an easy mask zombie

its all been a lie since "flatten the curve"
wont matter to you because you get "updated " with the new "conclusion"

Quote (ReturnFormer @ 17 Feb 2021 10:42)

He HAS read the document, and gave a direct quote from it saying that covid is primarily spread through close contact, not airborne particles. You whining "nuh uh, it's airborne" is meaningless unless you can provide a direct quote and context to back it up.


Contracting a virus is different than getting pregnant. Either you are pregnant or not. When you contract a virus, how severely ill you get is directly related to how much you were exposed to. Even if masks are only 60% effective, it's still worth it to wear them as others will have a 60% lower chance of getting I'll in the first place, and it will likely be 60% less severe if you DO get ill. Especially since there is almost no real downside to wearing a mask, that seems pretty obvious that everyone should be wearing one. Will it stop the spread? No, but no one claims it will. But it WILL slow the spread, and reduce the severity of illness for those who do get it.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 02:00pm)

Regarding the first part, the article directly states that Covid, like ALL coronaviruses, is airborne. Attempting to talk about "well actshually, the primary spread is via other bodily fluids!" isn't even necessarily targeted about being pro-mask. It'd be a greater justification for wearing gloves, which still hasn't been mandated, to prevent the transfer of sweat. Or hell, condoms, to prevent the transfer of sexual fluids (which are highly contagious).

Regarding the second part of your post, this is possibly the most stupid, unscientific claim ever uttered.

If you contract a virus, you HAVE the virus. You are infected. Your nonsense about "viral load" is just garbage. A virus reproduces IN YOUR BODY. You're ignoring basic biology that the average 10 year old could quote to you by rote. If your immune system is in good repair, then it will see the virus cells and act to destroy them before the virus impacts enough of your cells in the lytic cycle to cause true damage. If you're immunocompromised, or your immune system is simply weak in general (common among the elderly) then the likelihood of mass reproduction of the virus in your system is high. It dosen't require a "high viral load" to infect a person. It merely requires a weak immune system and a single virion to infect someone. This was proven beyond doubt back in 2009 by Wageningen University and Research Centre.

Stop lying about the science.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Feb 17 2021 01:38pm)

Sure, just ignore the part about "but that's not the primary means of infection "... you and ti are the same kind of stupid focusing on a tree and missing the forest.

Uh no, any medical professional will tell you that viral load is a thing, it's nothing new. Yes, the virus reproduces inside you, but if you start with a smaller amount your body will have more of a chance to develop antibodies and fight it off before it reproduces to a point where it makes you seriously ill. Obviously, that may not happen in immunocompromized people, and that's likely a large part of why covid affects the elderly more severely. But that doesn't mean that viral load won't matter for someone with a healthy immune system. The only one ignorant and or lying about the science is you and ti.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ 17 Feb 2021 11:38)

Sure, just ignore the part about "but that's not the primary means of infection "... you and ti are the same kind of stupid focusing on a tree and missing the forest.


Uh no, any medical professional will tell you that viral load is a thing, it's nothing new. Yes, the virus reproduces inside you, but if you start with a smaller amount your body will have more of a chance to develop antibodies and fight it off before it reproduces to a point where it makes you seriously ill. Obviously, that may not happen in immunocompromized people, and that's likely a large part of why covid affects the elderly more severely. But that doesn't mean that viral load won't matter for someone with a healthy immune system. The only one ignorant and or lying about the science is you and ti.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 01:00pm)

Regarding the first part, the article directly states that Covid, like ALL coronaviruses, is airborne. Attempting to talk about "well actshually, the primary spread is via other bodily fluids!" isn't even necessarily targeted about being pro-mask. It'd be a greater justification for wearing gloves, which still hasn't been mandated, to prevent the transfer of sweat. Or hell, condoms, to prevent the transfer of sexual fluids (which are highly contagious).

Regarding the second part of your post, this is possibly the most stupid, unscientific claim ever uttered.

If you contract a virus, you HAVE the virus. You are infected. Your nonsense about "viral load" is just garbage. A virus reproduces IN YOUR BODY. You're ignoring basic biology that the average 10 year old could quote to you by rote. If your immune system is in good repair, then it will see the virus cells and act to destroy them before the virus impacts enough of your cells in the lytic cycle to cause true damage. If you're immunocompromised, or your immune system is simply weak in general (common among the elderly) then the likelihood of mass reproduction of the virus in your system is high. It dosen't require a "high viral load" to infect a person. It merely requires a weak immune system and a single virion to infect someone. This was proven beyond doubt back in 2009 by Wageningen University and Research Centre.

Stop lying about the science.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 01:46pm)

It merely requires a weak immune system and a single virion to infect someone.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 17 Feb 2021 11:50)

One viral particle is unlikely to infect you.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 17 2021 01:53pm)

22% chance for the average person to become infected by 1 virion. Chances as high as 80% for an immunocompromised person to become infected.

That's not by a "low viral load" group of viral cells, that's a single virion. 1 viral particle. The entire point is that the "viral load" talking point is complete nonsense, was proven to be complete nonsense over a decade before Covid existed, and continuing on and on ad nauseum about it is not only anti-science, but active propaganda.

If you have an actual point to make, make it.