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#371
Oct 4 2014 10:19am
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I can tell you why it's reasonable in one short post.

There is no conclusive evidence to support the existence of one particular God. Most (if not all) religions' holy books and scripture contain assertations we can verify through observation to be false. If belief in one particular god is not reasonable then belief in any god or gods to the exclusion of all others is also not reasonable. The only reasonable conclusion is to live life as if there is no god.

FYI metaphysical or not Christianity makes the claim that their god affects what happens in the physical world. If that is true there would be physical evidence to support that. There isn't.

Also - belief or non belief is not a choice. I do not choose to not be convinced by apologetics' arguments. They simply have not presented me with an argument that is convincing to me.


How would you know where the evidence is? The fact god/gods doesn't show themselves and the story of jesus or anything else is not sufficient?

If there is a divine force behind the universe, we would never know. Absence of evidence does not equal evidence. You can draw a conclusion on it and base your belief on it but it is not evidence that a god does or does not affect the universe.

Honestly that's the biggest philosophical dilemma in regards to god/gods and origins of the universe. If the universe has always existed, how can something have always existed. If the universe was created, what created the thing that created the universe and that reasoning goes on. I'm not sure we will ever be able to truly understand origins of our universe and the results after death can only be found out by dying.

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#372
Oct 4 2014 10:25am
Absence of evidence IS actually evidence of absence. That's one of the biggest lies in apologetics.

But I'm not saying that god/gods do not exist. I'm simply saying that there is no reasonable basis for a belief that they do.

The rest of your post is simply speculation. Which is fine... it's good to wonder about these deep mysteries and develop hypotheses. Maybe one day ideas such as the universe being eternal can be developed and tested. What isn't ok is to assert that because we don't know - god did it.
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#373
Oct 4 2014 11:36am
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 4 2014 11:07am)
I can tell you why it's reasonable in one short post.

There is no conclusive evidence to support the existence of one particular God. Most (if not all) religions' holy books and scripture contain assertations we can verify through observation to be false. If belief in one particular god is not reasonable then belief in any god or gods to the exclusion of all others is also not reasonable. The only reasonable conclusion is to live life as if there is no god.

FYI metaphysical or not Christianity makes the claim that their god affects what happens in the physical world. If that is true there would be physical evidence to support that. There isn't.

Also - belief or non belief is not a choice. I do not choose to not be convinced by apologetics' arguments. They simply have not presented me with an argument that is convincing to me.


I think there is enough evidence for the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but scripture makes it clear that faith is a gift from God. Like I said, you don't find the evidence convincing, but there are many many people much smarter than you who believe in God. Stop with the intellectual superiority bullshit.
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#374
Oct 4 2014 11:40am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 4 2014 12:36pm)
I think there is enough evidence for the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but scripture makes it clear that faith is a gift from God.  Like I said, you don't find the evidence convincing, but there are many many people much smarter than you who believe in God.  Stop with the intellectual superiority bullshit.


Where is the evidence for the death and resurrection? I'd like to see.

There is enough evidence of the death (evidence of existence implies that) but coming back? I think that is a matter of faith only.
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#375
Oct 4 2014 11:44am
Quote (IceMage @ 4 Oct 2014 12:36)
I think there is enough evidence for the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but scripture makes it clear that faith is a gift from God.  Like I said, you don't find the evidence convincing, but there are many many people much smarter than you who believe in God.  Stop with the intellectual superiority bullshit.



When you say you think there is evidence you mean that you have faith that there is evidence because it's written in the bible, correct?

I don't think that you would want to start comparing non believers to believers in a who's smarter match-up.
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Oct 4 2014 11:47am
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Where is the evidence for the death and resurrection?  I'd like to see.

There is enough evidence of the death (evidence of existence implies that) but coming back?  I think that is a matter of faith only.


The evidence is the scriptures, and the dating of the scriptures, and multiple other logical reasons why the resurrection is the best explanation considering all the evidence.

WLC sums it up pretty concisely here:

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-resurrection-of-jesus
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Oct 4 2014 11:49am
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When you say you think there is evidence you mean that you have faith that there is evidence because it's written in the bible, correct?

I don't think that you would want to start comparing non believers to believers in a who's smarter match-up.


That's not how it works. I find that the abundance of evidence shows that the Jesus rose from the dead and that the scriptures are divinely inspired. I had to see the evidence before I could have a true faith.

It's fucking silly to make assumptions. On the average, Asian kids are smarter than black kids, but there are extremely brilliant people from both races. That also applies to belief systems.

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#378
Oct 4 2014 11:55am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 4 2014 11:47am)
The evidence is the scriptures, and the dating of the scriptures, and multiple other logical reasons why the resurrection is the best explanation considering all the evidence. 

WLC sums it up pretty concisely here:

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-resurrection-of-jesus


William Lane "two citations" Craig is a joke. You're not going to get an unbiased analysis within 10 meters of the guy. He's just there for anybody who wants a pH.D to confirm what they already believe.
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#379
Oct 4 2014 11:58am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 4 2014 12:55pm)
William Lane "two citations" Craig is a joke.  You're not going to get an unbiased analysis within 10 meters of the guy.  He's just there for anybody who wants a pH.D to confirm what they already believe.


Why would you expect unbiased analysis from an apologetics website? WLC is a great debater and he's very good at presenting apologetics to the layman.
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#380
Oct 4 2014 12:02pm
Quote (IceMage @ 4 Oct 2014 12:47)
The evidence is the scriptures, and the dating of the scriptures, and multiple other logical reasons why the resurrection is the best explanation considering all the evidence. 

WLC sums it up pretty concisely here:

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-resurrection-of-jesus


explain please


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