all religions are a guideline for good morals, sorry to break it to you but all religions are false, this does not mean that god is not real, it just means god is not as you perceive it to be

This post was edited by fjp123 on Aug 12 2012 06:26pm

He even knows more about Islam than you. Sad, really!

The Koran is easily the most important work to come out of the Arabic-speaking world. However, its significance is based on its involvement within that culture. It does not have as significant meaning or beauty to a non-muslim or non-arab speaker as a plethora of other literary works. For myself, The Great Gatsby and the Declaration of Independence are far more important works in my culture with amazing uses of the English language.

You're basically asking us to provide a greater piece of music than Beethoven's 12th. symphony. It's pretty subjective and based on the culture of the person.



I'll address this one below. But for now, I'd say it's not an easy process, but cloning flies is quite possible.



One of the issues I have with Islam and the Koran is the rejection of the Old and New testament (due to their supposed corruption from being written by men, not God), yet the acceptance of Christ being able to preform miracles. Or that previous prohphets (such as Abraham and Moses) even existed. The Koran and Islam pick and choose from what texts are still applicable from Judaism and Christianity.

It is quite silly to accept there are blatant contradictions in the bible, yet accept the over-the-top miracles and events depicted.



Like #2, this argument can easily be made from a Christian or Jew and does nothing to prove Islam is true. That being said, abiogenesis is completely compatible with Islam, as is evolution. However, neither one claims to have something come out of nothing. The simple bottom line is that matter cannot be created, nor can matter be destroyed. It can move around, but that's it, which is exactly what evolution and abiogenesis are about.

As far as the Big Bang goes, scientists are operating under the hypothesis there was something before the big bang. All the big bang explains is the universe as we currently know it from a single point in time. It doesn't go into explaining what came before. The short answer is that we just don't know yet, but we're working on it.

My counter-claim for you then becomes: How did God come to exist? Did he come from nothing?



These are all nitpicking texts within the Bible that goes back to my answer in #3. These are also arguments against Christianity and Judaism, but not arguments for Islam. Any non-christian or non-Jew could make these arguments.

So far, the only thing you've said in the defense of Islam is that the Koran is a really well-written text with a lot of wisdom. Everything is just miscellaneous ramblings about how other people's beliefs are wrong. But just because someone things 1 + 1 = 3 and you think the answer is 4 makes neither one of you correct.

As you like to say: CASE CLOSED!

" And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (23) And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones. (24)" / Qur'an 2:23-24

All this blabbering from you disbelievers has come NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE OF DREAMING OF REFUTING THIS CHALLENGE, and as Almighty God says Himself: "...and ye can never do it..."

Proof? All of you are just arguing for the sake of arguing -



You are even more blind than what I originally thought -



Biggest pile of BS I have ever seen put in ONE PLACE

why is this thread 38 pages

this guy isn't interested in any answers to his challenge

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 15 2012 12:27am

Maybe because you haven't even come CLOSE to answering anything in the first place, DOH?

Challenge #4: How did something come out of nothing? (for atheists)

Only point i care to address. No where in science does it state something came from nothing in regards to the creation of the universe.

You play Warhammer 40k?

I play Red Alert 3.


We're talking about this right?

Good post.