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Sep 16 2010 04:38pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 05:37pm)
You don't believe what you saw with your own eyes? It fell.

at free fall speed? seems abit off then a pancakeing theroy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUlWpqLsOVs << old video from when a b52 bomber hit the empire state building in 1945

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Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Sep 16 2010 05:38pm)
An opinion based on what? some conspiracy video that has been debunked so many times that it's not even worth discussing that horse anymore?



Nah man, it flew, not fell.


it's not from a conspiracy video, it's just my opinion when i saw the building crash. How the two towers felt seem to be suspect to me. I have no proof about if it's true, same if it's false.
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how was i supposed to know you are a " 2nd year Mech Engineering at Twente University of Technology" ?
if thats the case why mention something like "strain hardening" which isnt as important as " tensile strength"

haveing a know how in welding means i need to know how each and every metal works,
it would all depend on what the metal is, if its cast iron or aluminum
or 2% carbon steel which is what the twin towers core colums where made out of.
which is harder then regualar steel.
all skyscrapers are made to withstand a plane impact
what exposion? from the fuel? a fuel explosion wouldnt cause that much damage with such a dirty burn.
and the fires would not have reached optimum temp to weaken the metal let alone melt any of it.


No one has claimed the fire melted steel. It weakened it. The weight bearing capacity of the steel was reduced by at LEAST 50%. That's why the second tower hit (which was hit lower, leaving more weight above the damage) was the first to collapse. The fire temperature of what started as burning fuel, and when that was comsumed, the combustibles on the building, followed lastly by the aluminum of the aircraft itself was easily hot enough to reduce the strength of the steel to a point that it couldn't hold up the load over the weakened point.

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at free fall speed? seems abit off then a pancakeing theroy


It didn't fall at free fall speed. It accelerated at roughly 6 m/s, not 9.8 m/s.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUlWpqLsOVs << old video from when a b52 bomber hit the empire state building in 1945


B52 wasn't around in 1945.

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No one has claimed the fire melted steel. It weakened it. The weight bearing capacity of the steel was reduced by at LEAST 50%. That's why the second tower hit (which was hit lower, leaving more weight above the damage) was the first to collapse. The fire temperature of what started as burning fuel, and when that was comsumed, the combustibles on the building, followed lastly by the aluminum of the aircraft itself was easily hot enough to reduce the strength of the steel to a point that it couldn't hold up the load over the weakened point.


that doesnt and wont ever explain the free fall speed or the video of molten metal falling out the side

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how was i supposed to know you are a " 2nd year Mech Engineering at Twente University of Technology" ?
if thats the case why mention something like "strain hardening" which isnt as inmportant as " tensile strength"

haveing a know how in welding means i need to know how each and every metal works,
it would all depend on what the metal is, if its cast iron or aluminum
or 2% carbon steel which is what the twin towers core colums where made out of.
which is harder then regualar steel.
all skyscrapers are made to withstand a plane impact
what exposion? from the fuel? a fuel  explosion wouldnt cause that much damage with such a dirty burn.
and the fires would not have reached optimum temp to weaken the metal let alone melt any of it.


I didn't know all office equipment and everything else in the WTC was fire resistant, t4i.

That you know welding doesn't mean you know about every metal. Modern skyscrapers are made to withstand plane impact, but back in the seventies there was no danger of a plane flying into a building. And the fires might not reach melting temperature, plastic deformation is a definite possibility. The metal will inevitably yield due to high temperatures and increased stress, and eventually structural failure ensues.
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that doesnt and wont ever explain the free fall speed or the video of molten metal falling out the side


There was NO FREE FALL!!!

The molten metal was the liquefied aircraft aluminum.
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Sep 16 2010 04:52pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 10:50pm)
There was NO FREE FALL!!!

The molten metal was the liquefied aircraft aluminum.


+ an AC unit with a short circuit. Pics were taken.
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 05:50pm)
There was NO FREE FALL!!!

The molten metal was the liquefied aircraft aluminum.


LMAO at you, molten aluminum is never red hot, if it does is,its near combustion but then it burns white hot like magnesium.
It fell in less then 20secs so it was free fall speed.

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+ an AC unit with a short circuit. Pics were taken.

well? pics please?

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LMAO at you, molten aluminum is never red hot, if it does its near combustion but then it burns white hot like magnesium.
It feel it less then 20secs so it was free fall speed.


well? pics please?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4

Free fall = 9 seconds to fall 110 stories.

South tower = 15 seconds.

North tower = 22 seconds.

Read about molten metals here: http://debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

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Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 11:00pm)
LMAO at you, molten aluminum is never red hot, if it does is,its near combustion but then it burns white hot like magnesium.
It fell in less then 20secs so it was free fall speed.


well? pics please?


http://11-settembre.blog spot.com/2008/03/nist-confirms-ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html

And go read up the links in this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

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