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Aug 11 2024 10:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2024 10:59pm)
https://x.com/NoVA_Campaigns/status/1822821614490185970

They're gonna be mining old Tim Walz speeches for content for weeks now
"I had the privilege of serving in this state's national guard. I stood one night in the dark of night on the tarmac at Bagram Air Base in Iraq"

That would be like Donald Trump saying;
"I had the privilege of serving in the new york military academy. I stood one dark night in Saigon in North Korea"


OMG, those Damage Control shills from the last couple of days like Jesse Ventura will be irrecoverably BTFO of the water.
This has gone beyond Walz claiming her was a Retired Command Sergeant Major, when he wasn't this is 100% Stolen Valor.
It's recent too, though im sure they will come up with some excuse.

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Aug 11 2024 11:21pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2024 10:59pm)
https://x.com/NoVA_Campaigns/status/1822821614490185970

They're gonna be mining old Tim Walz speeches for content for weeks now
"I had the privilege of serving in this state's national guard. I stood one night in the dark of night on the tarmac at Bagram Air Base in Iraq"

That would be like Donald Trump saying;
"I had the privilege of serving in the new york military academy. I stood one dark night in Saigon in North Korea"


Shills are having a hard time with this one.
Their first mass strategy is to claim Walz was talking about going to Bagram when he was in congress, which he did visit the base only as a congressman.
But they Ignore that he specifically ties this story down to when he was serving in the Minnesota National guard.
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Aug 12 2024 12:38am
Quote (IceMage @ 11 Aug 2024 21:27)
Sure, keep playing the old hits devoid of any policy, see how that works for ya. Lol.

The fundamentals were Trump vs Biden, two bad choices. Now voters have another choice, and that choice has performed well. I don't think Kamala has always been unpopular and bad at her job, she was an effective senator and that's why she ran for president in 2019. I think her job is easy because her opponents are a couple negative weirdos.


... and how did it go when she ran for president in 2019? Why is she currently avoiding the press like the plague? Why did Democratic leadership hesitate so long to pull the trigger on replacing Biden with her although it had been clear for many months that Biden was cooked?




Your mistake is the belief that 2024 has been, and will continue to be, a pure choice election between the two candidates. But the fundamentals of this race not only included the contrast between Trump's and Biden's personality (favoring Biden) and energy level/mental acuity (massively favoring Trump toward the end), they also include the contrast between the economy, the domestic situation and the geopolitical shape of the world during both administrations. And this latter contrast, the one on the substantive level, heavily favored Trump. Kamala taking over for Biden doesn't change that. In the end, Harris cannot be unburdened by what has been during the Biden/Harris administration.


Your line of reasoning is internally consistent conditional on the premise that "there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's track record, he was unpopular exclusively because of his decline". A premise which is, of course, easily disproven by the fact that Biden was already the most unpopular first-term president in living memory in 2021 and 2022 (even more unpopular than Trump, SAD!)... and that was long before his decline became overwhelming and undeniable.

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... and how did it go when she ran for president in 2019? Why is she currently avoiding the press like the plague? Why did Democratic leadership hesitate so long to pull the trigger on replacing Biden with her although it had been clear for many months that Biden was cooked?




Your mistake is the belief that 2024 has been, and will continue to be, a pure choice election between the two candidates. But the fundamentals of this race not only included the contrast between Trump's and Biden's personality (favoring Biden) and energy level/mental acuity (massively favoring Trump toward the end), they also include the contrast between the economy, the domestic situation and the geopolitical shape of the world during both administrations. And this latter contrast, the one on the substantive level, heavily favored Trump. Kamala taking over for Biden doesn't change that. In the end, Harris cannot be unburdened by what has been during the Biden/Harris administration.


Your line of reasoning is internally consistent conditional on the premise that "there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's track record, he was unpopular exclusively because of his decline". A premise which is, of course, easily disproven by the fact that Biden was already the most unpopular first-term president in living memory in 2021 and 2022 (even more unpopular than Trump, SAD!)... and that was long before his decline became overwhelming and undeniable.


He’s using the “wierd” astroturfing rhetoric lol. What a dork.
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Aug 12 2024 07:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2024 02:13pm)
Trump ran a campaign in 2016 about rejuvenating the economy. He's running a campaign in 2024 about rejuvenating the economy. Everything else like immigration stems from that. He once again has the coherence to his policy platform he didn't in the pandemic. Harris is echoing Clinton of 2016 in her almost totally policy-free campaign. At least Clinton ran 100% on smears against Trump, at this point Kamala is running on the fact that Kamala is running, an ouroboros of the party elite institution / media going full circlejerk.

You've made a lot of spiel in the past decade about the appearance of propriety, a deference to political stability when I called out for substance. Forget substance, even on your own favored terms, how can you possibly be okay with the arsonist wing of the democratic party throwing out the entire primary process, forcibly seizing the candidacy from the incumbent who you know fully intended to run for reelection, and then put on the tag team that burned lake street? Trump is following in the footsteps of dozens of American politicians and several presidents as he has followed the political process and campaigned for his position fairly. The democrats just overturned decades of precedent and stable political continuity in a desperate mad gamble to cling to power.

I used to crusade for civil liberties and reasonable policy objectives, at this point I'm just sticking up for "lets actually have a democracy"


Trump's running on deporting millions of people and handing over the staffing of his government to the Heritage Foundation. His most passionate position the last number of days is that he has very large crowd sizes and Kamala's are either small or AI generated. Is that substantive policy? No... it's not. It's inane ramblings from an angry old man.

Kamala has been running for 3 weeks and she's already announced or clarified numerous policy positions, including on immigration/border security and fracking. Campaigns are about big messages, and hers are about freedom, loving America, and not turning the clock back. It's not hard to see how she's moving ahead in the polls. You guys are just mad that Trump sucks and the vibes clearly favor the younger and more positive ticket.

I won't respond to a question where the framing of what happened 3 weeks ago is so blatantly dishonest and hackish. But sure, doubling down on your support for the guy who attempted a coup because you're supporting democracy makes a lot of sense.

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... and how did it go when she ran for president in 2019? Why is she currently avoiding the press like the plague? Why did Democratic leadership hesitate so long to pull the trigger on replacing Biden with her although it had been clear for many months that Biden was cooked?

Your mistake is the belief that 2024 has been, and will continue to be, a pure choice election between the two candidates. But the fundamentals of this race not only included the contrast between Trump's and Biden's personality (favoring Biden) and energy level/mental acuity (massively favoring Trump toward the end), they also include the contrast between the economy, the domestic situation and the geopolitical shape of the world during both administrations. And this latter contrast, the one on the substantive level, heavily favored Trump. Kamala taking over for Biden doesn't change that. In the end, Harris cannot be unburdened by what has been during the Biden/Harris administration.


Your line of reasoning is internally consistent conditional on the premise that "there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's track record, he was unpopular exclusively because of his decline". A premise which is, of course, easily disproven by the fact that Biden was already the most unpopular first-term president in living memory in 2021 and 2022 (even more unpopular than Trump, SAD!)... and that was long before his decline became overwhelming and undeniable.


I think a lot of voters put some distance between Harris and the consequences of the Biden presidency. She was kind of invisible the past few years... nobody really knows what she was doing. Voters have been watching decrepit Biden and aging/crazy Trump the past number of months and now there's a fresh face who talks about loving America and defending freedom. Seems to be working.
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Aug 12 2024 07:59pm
Quote (excellence @ Aug 12 2024 05:56am)
He’s using the “wierd” astroturfing rhetoric lol. What a dork.


I told y'all there's no point in talking to these people, a fool's errand
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Aug 12 2024 08:37pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 12 2024 09:07pm)
I think a lot of voters put some distance between Harris and the consequences of the Biden presidency. She was kind of invisible the past few years... nobody really knows what she was doing. Voters have been watching decrepit Biden and aging/crazy Trump the past number of months and now there's a fresh face who talks about loving America and defending freedom. Seems to be working.



You must be talking about some "other" election.
The left owns MSM and that's why Harris is looking good.

In her whole career she hasn't really done anything worthwhile, even before her VP-ness.

The current polls are useless. We won't know anything for sure, till November, assuming no one plays silly buggers with the vote count. :/

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Aug 12 2024 08:57pm
As VP Kamala Harris, who recently copied Trump’s campaign proposed policy against taxing tips, was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which expanded the IRS so it could go after workers they claimed were not paying taxes on tips.

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Aug 12 2024 10:53pm
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Trump's running on deporting millions of people and handing over the staffing of his government to the Heritage Foundation. His most passionate position the last number of days is that he has very large crowd sizes and Kamala's are either small or AI generated. Is that substantive policy? No... it's not. It's inane ramblings from an angry old man.


Running on deporting illegal aliens and conservative policy is mainstream platform stuff. How can you criticize it without dropping the facade and going full neoliberal? Biden was more strict on illegal immigration than Trump was, thats the real joke.

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Kamala has been running for 3 weeks and she's already announced or clarified numerous policy positions, including on immigration/border security and fracking. Campaigns are about big messages, and hers are about freedom, loving America, and not turning the clock back. It's not hard to see how she's moving ahead in the polls. You guys are just mad that Trump sucks and the vibes clearly favor the younger and more positive ticket.


Trump just talked on end for hours about his policy platform today alone. He does it at every rally. Kamala has actively avoided policy discussion, not faced a single critical interview even once, and the only substantive she has announced so far is just a direct copy of what Trump announced. Talking vaguely about immigration or fracking isn't policy. You have to actually state what you will do when elected. Trump did in 2016 and followed through, Kamala and Biden have been in office 3.5 years, what new policy is she supposed to announce? She was the border czar, how can she talk about new immigration policy?

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I won't respond to a question where the framing of what happened 3 weeks ago is so blatantly dishonest and hackish. But sure, doubling down on your support for the guy who attempted a coup because you're supporting democracy makes a lot of sense.


You need to respond because the biggest attack on our democracy this year wasnt a bullet through Trump's ear but the total disenfranchisement of all democratic primary voters

Did you vote in the mock primaries? Your choice of RFK jr, Biden or "uncommitted? I was one of the latter.

You cannot be taken seriously talking about the integrity of our democracy if you don't push back against candidates being chosen by billionaires in smoke filled rooms like its the teapot dome age again. Donald Trump became president in 2016 because he appealed to voters not party elite. He won a bitterly contested primary, and he won two more primaries fairly. This year the democrats dropped the pretense they put on in 16 and 20. And they put forth the woman who got 4% of the vote in 2020

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