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Dec 23 2023 03:30pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 23 2023 01:29pm)
I guess some people don't have family they should be spending time with


Spending time with family isn't as fun as arguing with people online.
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Dec 23 2023 03:32pm
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/newsom-rejects-plan-block-trump-california-ballot
https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/motion-filed-to-remove-trump-from-virginia-ballots/

Newsom smells the danger and dodges the attempts to bar Trump in California, knowing how toxic it would look when Newsom himself runs for president in a few years
Activists in Virginia meanwhile have started the process to try to strip Trump from the ballot in that state
Meanwhile PA rep Bernstine, GA rep Byrd and AZ rep Mcgarr are drafting three separate bills in their three states to remove Biden from the ballot;

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“We are joining forces to introduce legislation to REMOVE Joe Biden from the ballot in Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania,” the lawmakers told Breitbart News. “The absurdity of radical Democrat judges removing Donald Trump from the ballot in Colorado will be a stain on the American political system for decades. By their very own interpretation of the law, Joe Biden is 100% not eligible to run for political office.”


National Review posted an op ed chastising Republicans for the tit for tat retaliation as it would wind up tossed out when scotus strikes down the CO attempt, but I feel like that is itself short sighted. Our democracy is best served by the willingness of parties to engage in a mutually assured destruction suicide pact if one party starts trying to step over the line and cross into tyranny. If the other side whips out a gun, you whip out a grenade and pull the pin. Cue Keatonman saying 'lets get nuts'. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
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Dec 23 2023 04:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 23 2023 04:32pm)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/newsom-rejects-plan-block-trump-california-ballot
https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/motion-filed-to-remove-trump-from-virginia-ballots/

Newsom smells the danger and dodges the attempts to bar Trump in California, knowing how toxic it would look when Newsom himself runs for president in a few years
Activists in Virginia meanwhile have started the process to try to strip Trump from the ballot in that state
Meanwhile PA rep Bernstine, GA rep Byrd and AZ rep Mcgarr are drafting three separate bills in their three states to remove Biden from the ballot;



National Review posted an op ed chastising Republicans for the tit for tat retaliation as it would wind up tossed out when scotus strikes down the CO attempt, but I feel like that is itself short sighted. Our democracy is best served by the willingness of parties to engage in a mutually assured destruction suicide pact if one party starts trying to step over the line and cross into tyranny. If the other side whips out a gun, you whip out a grenade and pull the pin. Cue Keatonman saying 'lets get nuts'. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.


Agreed. If one side sheepishly sits while the other weaponizes the courts then what’s going to stop it next time? This is the way.
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Dec 23 2023 04:16pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 23 2023 01:30pm)
Spending time with family isn't as fun as arguing with people online.


agreed. posting on jsp is peak entertainment, much better than sitting at a dinner table getting to heimlich an inlaw
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Dec 23 2023 05:12pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/20/colorado-trump-ballott-supreme-court/
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F.Cas/0011.f.cas/0011.f.cas.0007.html

So some ancient precedent does exist in 14th amendment rulings, which someone dragged out of a history book.
In Re Griffin, 1869, posed the question of Caesar Griffin being sentenced to 2 years in prison for assault with intent to kill by a judge who was a former confederate officer. He petitioned the court arguing that the 14th amendment barred the judge in his trial from holding office, therefore his conviction must be overturned. Chief Justice Chase penned the ruling that Section 3 of the 14th amendment was not self-executing and could not be enforced by a court, but only by an act of congress;
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Is there, then, any other reasonable construction? In the judgment of the court there is another, not only reasonable, but very clearly warranted by the terms of the amendment, and recognized by the legislation of congress. The object of the amendment is to exclude from certain offices a certain class of persons. Now, it is obviously impossible to do this by a simple declaration, whether in the constitution or in an act of congress, that all persons included within a particular description shall not hold office. For, in the very nature of things, it must be ascertained what particular individuals are embraced by the definition, before any sentence of exclusion can be made to operate. To accomplish this ascertainment and ensure effective results, proceedings, evidence, decisions, and enforcements of decisions, more or less formal, are indispensable; and these can only be provided for by congress.

Now, the necessity of this is recognized by the amendment itself, in its fifth and final section, which declares that “congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provision of this article.”

There are, indeed, other sections than the third, to the enforcement of which legislation is necessary; but there is no one which more clearly requires legislation in order to give effect to it. The fifth section qualifies the third to the same extent as it would if the whole amendment consisted of these two sections. And the final clause of the third section itself is significant. It gives to congress absolute control of the whole operation of the amendment These are its words: “But congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each house, remove such disability.” Taking the third section then, in its completeness with this final clause, it seems to put beyond reasonable question the conclusion that the intention of the people of the United States, in adopting the fourteenth amendment, was to create a disability, to be removed in proper cases by a two-thirds vote, and to be made operative in other cases by the legislation of congress in its ordinary course. This construction gives certain effect to the undoubted intent of the amendment to insure the exclusion from office of the designated class of persons, if not relieved from their disabilities, and avoids the manifold evils which must attend the construction insisted upon by the counsel for the petitioner.

It results from the examination that persons in office by lawful appointment or election before the promulgation of the fourteenth amendment, are not removed there from by the direct and immediate effect of the prohibition to hold office contained in the third section; but that legislation by congress is necessary to give effect to the prohibition, by providing for such removal. And it results further that the exercise of their several functions by these officers, until removed in pursuance of such legislation, is not unlawful.


Pretty direct repudiation of the Colorado decision, 154 years removed. At the time, the concern was trying to avoid the politically sticky question of whether secession equaled treason, which the court very much did not want to answer and never did.
And since congress has no law to remove a president from the ballot, this precedent invalidates the colorado ruling, and is from a higher court
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Dec 23 2023 05:50pm
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I heard California is as well lol
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Dec 23 2023 05:54pm
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I heard California is as well lol


Even Newsom is smarter than you.



https://sg.news.yahoo.com/newsom-warns-efforts-keep-trump-040516838.html
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Dec 23 2023 05:55pm
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I said I heard, never bothered to look it up. Shows your intelligence, not mine. 💕

Also I heard this from the Trump campaign themselves, so what does that say about them?





This post was edited by crosspawz on Dec 23 2023 05:59pm
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Dec 23 2023 07:14pm
Hey now if I wanted donald trump to rape my eyeballs I'd write my name in his book and get those spam emails
His name isn't big enough on trump tower?
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