Quote (addone @ Feb 18 2023 12:50pm)
I think you have to start from the original material. Who wrote it can you verify it was God or was it some randoms. Second prove there is a God. Prove that there is only one God. And if so how we do know it isn't Satan or Shiva?
Then you have to prove creation and 6000 year timeline of the entire universe. Actual proof that we can verify, observe and test out. Christian pseudo-science and theorycrafting wild assumptions doesn't count as proof.
Then if you get past those hurdles can you discuss illogical and childish stories on original sin.
Here's the thing though, that is not the source of the problem. The source of the problem is and always has been sin. Whether the Earth is 6,000 Year's old or Millions of Year's old? I don't know since that's not my area. Either way what difference does that knowledge make as to whether you will worship God or not? What difference does it make that will stop you sinning?
It's known that a handful of people from all walks of life wrote their part in The Bible. Everyone from Kings to Slaves helped write The Bible. All Scripture is God Breathed.
Here is the thing with the proof of God, look at the story of Exodus. The Israelite's not only saw God but they saw his wonders with the 10 plagues of Egypt. They saw the parting of the Red Sea, they had Moses and the Law. They are in the best possible position as God is right there among the people. How long did the people last after they were rescued? They had just crossed the Red Sea and were free from slavery after many Centuries. Let's see how long they lasted.
"Exodus 15:22-27
Then Moses led Israel from the Red Sea and they went into the Desert of Shur. For three days they traveled in the desert without finding water. When they came to Marah, they could not drink its water because it was bitter. (That is why the place is called Marah.) So the people grumbled against Moses, saying, “What are we to drink?”
Then Moses cried out to the Lord, and the Lord showed him a piece of wood. He threw it into the water, and the water became fit to drink.
There the Lord issued a ruling and instruction for them and put them to the test. He said, “If you listen carefully to the Lord your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the Lord, who heals you.”
Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water."
The Israelite's only lasted 3 days.
So now let's bring it back to you. You now want God to appear right before your eyes. There are a few problems with that.
If God appears before you then He would also have to appear before me and everyone else in the world. Then He would have to do it again for the next generation and the one after that.
Secondly God did send Angels to appear to a select few. Every time an Angel has appeared, they always say the same thing: "Do not be afraid"
Luke 2:8-12
And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An
angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and
they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “
Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
You will NOT enjoy the appearance, I guarantee it.
Lastly, this goes back to the source. Even if He bent over backwards for you and appeared before you, that will not stop you from sinning. If Israel couldn't last 3 days at the best possible position, what chance do you have?
The real issue is your sin.