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May 9 2019 02:12pm
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Happy Europe Day, my fellow European friends!

https://www.flagmakers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/flags/country/EU.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WH8hCMeug

Ave Europa libera, princeps et foederata!


Bad post my friend
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May 9 2019 06:27pm
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Bad post my friend


why? anyone who isnt completely brainwashed still considers the uk a close partner and friend
brexit is the result of the EU not keeping its promises/laws and simply not being whats its supposed to be

we should follow your example and build a new organisation from scratch
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why? anyone who isnt completely brainwashed still considers the uk a close partner and friend
brexit is the result of the EU not keeping its promises/laws and simply not being whats its supposed to be

we should follow your example and build a new organisation from scratch


brexit is the result of uninformed voters / ridiculously false promises / fearmongering / decades of british entitlement and selfishness.

you can make valid arguments for your criticism of the EU in its current form (even though most of it is expectedly your typical uninformed propaganda) - there is a core truth to it, and plenty of room for improvement. to suggest, however, that brexit is a result of brits making an informed and reasonable decision based on that, rather than the factors i listed above, is outright laughable.
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May 9 2019 07:17pm
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brexit is the result of uninformed voters / ridiculously false promises / fearmongering / decades of british entitlement and selfishness.

you can make valid arguments for your criticism of the EU in its current form (even though most of it is expectedly your typical uninformed propaganda) - there is a core truth to it, and plenty of room for improvement. to suggest, however, that brexit is a result of brits making an informed and reasonable decision based on that, rather than the factors i listed above, is outright laughable.


oh look, everyone who isnt sharing my opinion is uninformed, stupid etc

adult citizens made their decision, period
deal with it and the british certainly dont need to be lectured by a german social justice warrior
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Quote (ampoo @ 10 May 2019 02:17)
oh look, everyone who isnt sharing my opinion is uninformed, stupid etc

adult citizens made their decision, period
deal with it and the british certainly dont need to be lectured by a german social justice warrior


has nothing to do with my personal opinion - as a matter of fact, everyone who voted for leave and supports a hard brexit actually DOES share my opinion - i can't believe that after hundreds of posts on this topic you still don't understand that.

not at all the point though, the british public being uninformed / misinformed prior to the referendum is simply a fact, no matter which side of the issue you're on:

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/06/26/brexit-regrexit-and-the-impact-of-political-ignorance/?utm_term=.ef9d52c9a58b

so nice try covering up your failed propaganda with failed ad hom, but the facts simply don't care about your feelings. people voted for brexit because they were uninformed, mislead, and completely delusional concerning their importance and standing on the global stage. it's a shame you can't even acknowledge such obvious and basic truths just because they don't fit your simplistic EU hating narratives - even after i once again conceded that there is a core truth to some of the grievances you have with it...
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Quote (fender @ 10 May 2019 03:41)
has nothing to do with my personal opinion - as a matter of fact, everyone who voted for leave and supports a hard brexit actually DOES share my opinion - i can't believe that after hundreds of posts on this topic you still don't understand that.

not at all the point though, the british public being uninformed / misinformed prior to the referendum is simply a fact, no matter which side of the issue you're on:

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/06/26/brexit-regrexit-and-the-impact-of-political-ignorance/?utm_term=.ef9d52c9a58b

so nice try covering up your failed propaganda with failed ad hom, but the facts simply don't care about your feelings. people voted for brexit because they were uninformed, mislead, and completely delusional concerning their importance and standing on the global stage. it's a shame you can't even acknowledge such obvious and basic truths just because they don't fit your simplistic EU hating narratives - even after i once again conceded that there is a core truth to some of the grievances you have with it...


and?
you could make such a survey anywhere and get a similar result
the average guy isnt as informed in detail and with this argument you can doubt pretty much any election

i can also say that people are uninformed and mislead to still vote for typical merkel
and while i am at it, with the constant pro EU propaganda in the media that mostly ignores the downsides and most importantly the violation of laws, one can also make the argument, that the average pro EU voter is also greatly uninformed

"the EU is great because there are open borders and stuff"

you are right that there were false promises, but the same is true for the other side with simplistic talking points

i wont distinguish between one bad piece of information and another one
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Quote (ampoo @ 10 May 2019 08:54)
and?
you could make such a survey anywhere and get a similar result
the average guy isnt as informed in detail and with this argument you can doubt pretty much any election

i can also say that people are uninformed and mislead to still vote for typical merkel
and while i am at it, with the constant pro EU propaganda in the media that mostly ignores the downsides and most importantly the violation of laws, one can also make the argument, that the average pro EU voter is also greatly uninformed

"the EU is great because there are open borders and stuff"

you are right that there were false promises, but the same is true for the other side with simplistic talking points

i wont distinguish between one bad piece of information and another one


what do you mean, 'and'?

i just proved your whole theory about 'brits making an informed and reasonable decision concerning the EU's flaws with their leave vote, rather than being uninformed, mislead, and delusional about what they are on their own' wrong. that was my whole point.

i also refuted your little 'everyone who doesn't agree with you is uninformed' pivot, providing facts and sources to illustrate how it's objectively true in this case - you trying to move the goal post now and speculating about how informed someone else might be is completely irrelevant. again, since you're apparently just not smart enough to get that, even though i told you literally dozens of times now: my goal is not to question the legitimacy of the election, stop making that ridiculous assumption - i'm perfectly happy with the result and would love to see a swift brexit - all i'm saying is that brits were ridiculously uninformed and mislead when they decided their future - that's literally it.

don't really know what else you expected...
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Quote (fender @ 10 May 2019 11:47)
what do you mean, 'and'?

i just proved your whole theory about 'brits making an informed and reasonable decision concerning the EU's flaws with their leave vote, rather than being uninformed, mislead, and delusional about what they are on their own' wrong. that was my whole point.

i also refuted your little 'everyone who doesn't agree with you is uninformed' pivot, providing facts and sources to illustrate how it's objectively true in this case - you trying to move the goal post now and speculating about how informed someone else might be is completely irrelevant. again, since you're apparently just not smart enough to get that, even though i told you literally dozens of times now: my goal is not to question the legitimacy of the election, stop making that ridiculous assumption - i'm perfectly happy with the result and would love to see a swift brexit - all i'm saying is that brits were ridiculously uninformed and mislead when they decided their future - that's literally it.

don't really know what else you expected...


you didnt prove anything except the fact that the average people arent exactly informed to a degree that people following politics would find good enough and that is correct

you should think about your definition of the term "proof" or grab a book and look it up
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May 10 2019 06:24am
Quote (ampoo @ 10 May 2019 12:38)
you didnt prove anything except the fact that the average people arent exactly informed to a degree that people following politics would find good enough and that is correct

you should think about your definition of the term "proof" or grab a book and look it up


meanwhile you haven't even provided an argument as to why your theory is valid, let alone a source or proof to support it... guess all you can do is make ridiculous claims and then try to change the conversation when proven wrong.
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May 10 2019 07:49am
People voted for Brexit like they voted for Hitler; it's a protest, desesperated, blind vote. Fuelled by gross lies and the same kind of basics which put Hitler in charge.
It cant be compared with EU which wasn't decided in 1 referendum BTW this is enough to end the discussion.
One count on knowledge and intelligence to go forward
One count on ignorance and simpletons to go backward, and saying: MAN THIS IS LEGAL. :lol:
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