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Feb 17 2023 08:50pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 18 2023 02:14am)
This is why we cannot go into the more advanced topics with you. You're still stuck at the very basics in square one: The Doctrine of sin.

We all descend from Adam and so we all inherit the original sin. As a result our human nature is to turn against our creator and want nothing to do with God. This describes you perfectly.

The consequences of such actions are disastrous.

Just like you right now. You are rebelling against your creator and you want nothing to do with God. You'll come up with any and every excuse to not worship Him. Is that not what sin is? Sin is not allowing Jesus to be the King of our lives when we instead want to wear the crown. That's right, you'll even resort to lack of logical posts as seen above, anything and everything to avoid worshipping God.

Is that not what the temptation back in Genesis 3 was? "You will be like God, knowing good and evil." You are part of the problem, you cannot save yourself. You also deserve to die, you also need forgiveness.

Do you know of even one person who has never sinned?


I think you have to start from the original material. Who wrote it can you verify it was God or was it some randoms. Second prove there is a God. Prove that there is only one God. And if so how we do know it isn't Satan or Shiva?
Then you have to prove creation and 6000 year timeline of the entire universe. Actual proof that we can verify, observe and test out. Christian pseudo-science and theorycrafting wild assumptions doesn't count as proof.

Then if you get past those hurdles can you discuss illogical and childish stories on original sin.
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Feb 17 2023 08:59pm
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I think you have to start from the original material. Who wrote it can you verify it was God or was it some randoms. Second prove there is a God. Prove that there is only one God. And if so how we do know it isn't Satan or Shiva?
Then you have to prove creation and 6000 year timeline of the entire universe. Actual proof that we can verify, observe and test out. Christian pseudo-science and theorycrafting wild assumptions doesn't count as proof.

Then if you get past those hurdles can you discuss illogical and childish stories on original sin.


here is something to think about. its claimed we cant see the edge of the universe and that might put the earth or this galaxy at or near the middle of the universe. its also known that time moves in relation to gravity wells. the earth at the center of the gravity well time would move the slowest. but what else it means is since the beginning of 'time everything in the universe is all different ages.

any way how can anything be 'proved to you?? when all you do is sit in your 'prove it chair shaking your head.
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Feb 17 2023 09:53pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 18 2023 03:59pm)
here is something to think about. its claimed we cant see the edge of the universe and that might put the earth or this galaxy at or near the middle of the universe. its also known that time moves in relation to gravity wells. the earth at the center of the gravity well time would move the slowest. but what else it means is since the beginning of 'time everything in the universe is all different ages.

any way how can anything be 'proved to you?? when all you do is sit in your 'prove it chair shaking your head.


Then don't spread nonsense you cannot back up. I don't care if you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy just don't come here telling me that it's real and ultimate truth.

I don't need much convincing if it makes sense, if you told me there were some ancient people who decided to make a religion in order to control people, that most of it is made up or symbolic written by people who thought they were talking to God and made their best to convey some resemblence of a creator. If you humbly explained some things happened because there was this city and this battle took place and we uncovered archaeological remains to prove this.
We don't know exactly what many things mean but we chose to believe them anyway and hopefully they make more sense when we advance further. Or that the bible is a collection of oral stories passed down for generations. We use them to give us inspiration and guidance to be good people it's just a custom and part of our culture at this point.

If you claim the entire universe is around 6000 years old well you better have some serious proof. If you claim that you get everlasting life if you believe in jesus you better bring me a +2000 year old
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Feb 17 2023 10:06pm
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Then don't spread nonsense you cannot back up. I don't care if you believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy just don't come here telling me that it's real and ultimate truth.

I don't need much convincing if it makes sense, if you told me there were some ancient people who decided to make a religion in order to control people, that most of it is made up or symbolic written by people who thought they were talking to God and made their best to convey some resemblence of a creator. If you humbly explained some things happened because there was this city and this battle took place and we uncovered archaeological remains to prove this.
We don't know exactly what many things mean but we chose to believe them anyway and hopefully they make more sense when we advance further. Or that the bible is a collection of oral stories passed down for generations. We use them to give us inspiration and guidance to be good people it's just a custom and part of our culture at this point.

If you claim the entire universe is around 6000 years old well you better have some serious proof. If you claim that you get everlasting life if you believe in jesus you better bring me a +2000 year old


Why Does the Bible Mention Unicorns?


This post was edited by TiStuff on Feb 17 2023 10:07pm
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Feb 17 2023 10:25pm
Why is it the bible was written thousands of years after the creation by random people many of whom we don't even know. All in Hebrew and all in a very small middle eastern geological location. And why these gods called jealous and elohim and jesus and holy spirit couldn't write the instruction manual themselves in universal language and or in every language distributed around the world. In an indistructible book that you could not lose. That laid out all the rules in clear and plain way so that everyone knew them from the second they were born. Why do we have to rely on ancient scrolls and poorly translated book by a very specific religion who cannot even agree amongst its own followers what it means? Why the cluster fuck of confusion and constant contradictions?

Seems like an incompetent deity Christians worship. If it was me I would put that in the DNA including making the universe and the laws of physics such that it would be impossible to break them. Why would you want to send someone to eternal pit of fire anyway? What's the point other then to scare people. And why do you need to use fear as a God to make people do what you want them to do? Sounds suspiciously like a typical deified ruler who wanted to keep his troops in line. You invent the boogie man to scare children and the simple minded folk with stories like heaven and hell. Pure human invention
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Feb 17 2023 10:30pm
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Why is it the bible was written thousands of years after the creation by random people many of whom we don't even know. All in Hebrew and all in a very small middle eastern geological location. And why these gods called jealous and elohim and jesus and holy spirit couldn't write the instruction manual themselves in universal language and or in every language distributed around the world. In an indistructible book that you could not lose. That laid out all the rules in clear and plain way so that everyone knew them from the second they were born. Why do we have to rely on ancient scrolls and poorly translated book by a very specific religion who cannot even agree amongst its own followers what it means? Why the cluster fuck of confusion and constant contradictions?

Seems like an incompetent deity Christians worship. If it was me I would put that in the DNA including making the universe and the laws of physics such that it would be impossible to break them. Why would you want to send someone to eternal pit of fire anyway? What's the point other then to scare people. And why do you need to use fear as a God to make people do what you want them to do? Sounds suspiciously like a typical deified ruler who wanted to keep his troops in line. You invent the boogie man to scare children and the simple minded folk with stories like heaven and hell. Pure human invention


what you think of the vid? you believe in unicorns now?
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Feb 17 2023 10:54pm
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Why Does the Bible Mention Unicorns?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNsjsbJLaM


So what you saying the unicorns aren't actually unicorns that most people define the word but rather a mistranslation of a rhino instead?

That certain things like jesus walking on water or turning water to wine wasn't infact what we think those things mean but some kind of old linguistic mistranslation. That in fact it was a common metaphor for something unremarkable for that time period?
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Feb 17 2023 11:36pm
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So what you saying the unicorns aren't actually unicorns that most people define the word but rather a mistranslation of a rhino instead?

That certain things like jesus walking on water or turning water to wine wasn't infact what we think those things mean but some kind of old linguistic mistranslation. That in fact it was a common metaphor for something unremarkable for that time period?


i suppose it doesnt matter how it was defined at the time they wrote about it.
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Feb 17 2023 11:56pm
it's actually not confusing at all


the bible is great


I am at perfect peace with the bible right now

no confusion ever comes from the bible
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Feb 18 2023 04:15am
Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 18 2023 06:36pm)
i suppose it doesnt matter how it was defined at the time they wrote about it.


Contradict yourself much?
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