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Aug 13 2020 06:09am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 12 2020 11:44pm)
But it was criminal when Kavanaugh was doing it.


Kavanaugh forgot consent.

That women who looks like a Flintstone looks happy to be there.

Its different when its consentual.


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Laced thong is as effective as a bandanna or spandex neck wrap.

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Aug 13 2020 06:30am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 6 2020 08:44pm)
Youre making a lot of assumptions about rehabilitation in our prison system here


what assumptions? i dont see anything incorrect in his post at all.
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Aug 13 2020 07:18am
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Kavanaugh forgot consent.

That women who looks like a Flintstone looks happy to be there.

Its different when its consentual.




Laced thong is as effective as a bandanna or spandex neck wrap.

err proof? or you still believe avenatti :unsure:
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Aug 13 2020 12:04pm
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what assumptions? i dont see anything incorrect in his post at all.


That the level of rehabilitation we give in prison is anywhere near enough to determine if somebody is a lost cause when it keeps not working.
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Aug 13 2020 12:22pm
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That the level of rehabilitation we give in prison is anywhere near enough to determine if somebody is a lost cause when it keeps not working.


the only proven models of rehabilitation that work (Scandanvian restorative justice models) would literally bankrupt the US and just simply wouldn't work. if you're talking about a human, and extending that to a population of prisoners, we can absolutely say in reality a large swath can not be rehabilitated in reality.

a mousetrap works great to kill the mouse in your pantry, but doesnt work as well on 200 1lb rats. we can do things to reduce that 200 number over time, and we can do things to make them smaller than 1 lb. but in the context of releasing prisoners in modern day america hopeless causes are a very real thing.

source: a decade of work in prisoner rehabilitation and the several robberies i was a victim of learning that lesson.
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Aug 13 2020 12:42pm
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the only proven models of rehabilitation that work (Scandanvian restorative justice models) would literally bankrupt the US and just simply wouldn't work. if you're talking about a human, and extending that to a population of prisoners, we can absolutely say in reality a large swath can not be rehabilitated in reality.

a mousetrap works great to kill the mouse in your pantry, but doesnt work as well on 200 1lb rats. we can do things to reduce that 200 number over time, and we can do things to make them smaller than 1 lb. but in the context of releasing prisoners in modern day america hopeless causes are a very real thing.

source: a decade of work in prisoner rehabilitation and the several robberies i was a victim of learning that lesson.


Is the scandinavian model really that expensive? Thought they'd be getting more value per dollar spent in reduced likelyhood for an offender to end up in prison again.
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Is the scandinavian model really that expensive? Thought they'd be getting more value per dollar spent in reduced likelyhood for an offender to end up in prison again.


it's apples to oranges. they have a reduced recidivism rate not just because of the far more they spend per prisoner, but also because the prisoners are less violent, commit less crimes to feed their families, etc.

the models im talking about are basically in patient rehab clinics with intense counseling and great living conditions. that just wont work for millions and millions of already hardened criminals in the US that are far more violent, come from far worse conditions, and have far fewer prospects for employment once released.

do 50-100 years of deep dive reform to improve the population inputs, then we can do something like that. its a better system, but they're a better people.

you cant just put caul through a meat grinder and get hamburger.

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